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HKOwen Hong Kong 10 Mar 23 4.19am | |
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Please someone take the decision to cut the national losses on this
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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Mar 23 7.52am | |
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They started at the wrong end. I never understood why they decided to build from London. There are plenty of norther cities that would have benefited if it had started their but the Lonodn leg was cancelled.
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Dubai Eagle 10 Mar 23 8.17am | |
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Costs in London escalate faster than they do in the North - The cost of the project was only ever going to go up so by starting in London they had more chance to have a possibility to mitigate current & future cost escalation. To say nothing of the politicians wanting to benefit soonest with faster travel back to their constituencies' I vaguely remember an old episode of Yes Minister - where someone was asking why there were far superior transport links from London to Cambridge but only one decent road to Oxford - the reply was, something like, in recent history there had been more ministers for transport that had studied in Cambridge & only one that studied in Oxford - Originally posted by Badger11
They started at the wrong end. I never understood why they decided to build from London. There are plenty of norther cities that would have benefited if it had started their but the Lonodn leg was cancelled.
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Teddy Eagle 10 Mar 23 8.47am | |
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Eaglehamster Storrington 10 Mar 23 9.55am | |
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Call me cynical, but I suspect there's far too much money to be made on this project for it to be cancelled - as it damn well should be. The cash this will cost might have just made the existing rail network fit for purpose. The whole thing stinks.
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steeleye20 Croydon 10 Mar 23 10.47am | |
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At present its not even going to Euston. A project so flawed it leaves one speechless. It should be renamed USB2 its yesterdays tech. Doesn't connect to an airport, to a link to Europe, to Scotland and the North, but at present Birmingham and some place North of London to be built. The rest of the network could be upgraded at a fraction of the cost. The cost dwarfs any other rail project in Europe, and appears to be totally useless. Who actually needs, if this ever completes, to get to Birmingham 15 minutes quicker? The demand just isn't there, people work remotely, and the present journey is comfortable quick and scenic (Grand Union Canal). An ex-parrot.
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Teddy Eagle 10 Mar 23 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
At present its not even going to Euston. A project so flawed it leaves one speechless. It should be renamed USB2 its yesterdays tech. Doesn't connect to an airport, to a link to Europe, to Scotland and the North, but at present Birmingham and some place North of London to be built. The rest of the network could be upgraded at a fraction of the cost. The cost dwarfs any other rail project in Europe, and appears to be totally useless. Who actually needs, if this ever completes, to get to Birmingham 15 minutes quicker? The demand just isn't there, people work remotely, and the present journey is comfortable quick and scenic (Grand Union Canal). An ex-parrot.
The journey time is secondary to it's carbon net zero effect. It's intended to take cars off the road.
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Eaglehamster Storrington 10 Mar 23 11.18am | |
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As for the carbon neutral issue. How carbon neutral are nearly empty trains in off peak times running around the country? Then in peak times it's a ruck getting a seat. Cars are getting greener all the time. I think for a country like ours trains are obsolete. They have never been an efficient transport system and never will be.
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Teddy Eagle 10 Mar 23 11.36am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglehamster
As for the carbon neutral issue. How carbon neutral are nearly empty trains in off peak times running around the country? Then in peak times it's a ruck getting a seat. Cars are getting greener all the time. I think for a country like ours trains are obsolete. They have never been an efficient transport system and never will be. For what it's worth I agree with you EH.
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steeleye20 Croydon 10 Mar 23 4.00pm | |
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'Government warned HS2 may never be resurrected after cost-saving delays'. A sigh of relief to many.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 10 Mar 23 6.15pm | |
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There's been a few "informed speculators" who purchased property and land on the proposed route, only to have it compulsorily purchased for vastly more than they paid for it. Plenty of corrupt people in-the-know have already shafted the tax-payer, with plenty more to come. It seems the HS2's vision to link London with 'the north', might only go as far as Birmingham Edited by Forest Hillbilly (10 Mar 2023 6.18pm)
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