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Elwissthebest Marlborough 01 Sep 22 8.13pm
Entirely agree with southnorwoodhill. Nothing from the bench. Mitchell was well off the pace and Luka was just abysmal. Ayew irrelevant. Fortune favours the brave and if you end up with as many attackers on the pitch as Brentford did, a goal is what you deserve. We were in a bunker mentality from the minute our subs came on. As Zaha asked, why not go for the second goal? The game was becoming stretched and there was every possibility we'd score again. Vieira did a Hodgson. Was the idea that Luka and Doucoure would just sew it up? Otherwise: Mateta had a shocker, Olise took a long time to get going but eventually caused a lot of problems. For me, the real success was Doucoure: didn't miss a tackle all night and only one pass didn't go where he meant it to. We really should beat Brentford at home if we want to claim progress.
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Marlborough 01 Sep 22 8.13pm

Entirely agree with southnorwoodhill.

Nothing from the bench. Mitchell was well off the pace and Luka was just abysmal. Ayew irrelevant. Fortune favours the brave and if you end up with as many attackers on the pitch as Brentford did, a goal is what you deserve. We were in a bunker mentality from the minute our subs came on. As Zaha asked, why not go for the second goal? The game was becoming stretched and there was every possibility we'd score again. Vieira did a Hodgson. Was the idea that Luka and Doucoure would just sew it up?

Otherwise: Mateta had a shocker, Olise took a long time to get going but eventually caused a lot of problems. For me, the real success was Doucoure: didn't miss a tackle all night and only one pass didn't go where he meant it to.

We really should beat Brentford at home if we want to claim progress.

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Palacesince64 Edinburgh 02 Sep 22 1.24am
Originally posted by taylors lovechild If you go back and watch Brentford's goal you'll see everyone gets drawn towards the man providing the cross, with Andersen and Guehi both losing sight of the forwards behind them. Because Andersen is ball watching and isn't picking anyone up Guehi goes to attack the player in front of him leaving the man he should be marking (Wissa) to have a free header. It's poor all round whether it's due to the tactical changes or the defending. And our keeper stands and watches the ball as well!
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Edinburgh 02 Sep 22 1.24am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

If you go back and watch Brentford's goal you'll see everyone gets drawn towards the man providing the cross, with Andersen and Guehi both losing sight of the forwards behind them. Because Andersen is ball watching and isn't picking anyone up Guehi goes to attack the player in front of him leaving the man he should be marking (Wissa) to have a free header. It's poor all round whether it's due to the tactical changes or the defending.

And our keeper stands and watches the ball as well!

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mtp1958 Oswestry 02 Sep 22 6.00am
Originally posted by Palacesince64 And our keeper stands and watches the ball as well! im a big critic of guaita for not coming of his line but not the case this time poor defending caused that
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mtp1958

Oswestry 02 Sep 22 6.00am

Originally posted by Palacesince64

And our keeper stands and watches the ball as well!

im a big critic of guaita for not coming of his line but not the case this time poor defending caused that

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Eaglecoops CR3 02 Sep 22 8.53am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill All very interesting, but in the second half we had things under control, the game being played away from our goal and therefore their chances of scoring were slim. Naturally they make the changes to see if they can affect the state of play and Vieira complies by making changes of his own which gave them the onus to fully control the ball. Once we started to sit back we gave them the opportunity to get closer to our goal; instead of competing the ball in the middle of the park or further up we turned it over to them, and they made use of our generosity. They will feel they should have had all 3 points at the end, so egregious was our play. Terrible tactics, terrible subs, and not what I would expect from Palace at home against Brentford. PV 100% wrong this time round. Negative thoughts, negative reaction. I totally agree.
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CR3 02 Sep 22 8.53am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

All very interesting, but in the second half we had things under control, the game being played away from our goal and therefore their chances of scoring were slim. Naturally they make the changes to see if they can affect the state of play and Vieira complies by making changes of his own which gave them the onus to fully control the ball. Once we started to sit back we gave them the opportunity to get closer to our goal; instead of competing the ball in the middle of the park or further up we turned it over to them, and they made use of our generosity. They will feel they should have had all 3 points at the end, so egregious was our play.
Terrible tactics, terrible subs, and not what I would expect from Palace at home against Brentford.
PV 100% wrong this time round. Negative thoughts, negative reaction.

I totally agree.

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TheBigToePunt 02 Sep 22 9.34am
Originally posted by taylors lovechild If you go back and watch Brentford's goal you'll see everyone gets drawn towards the man providing the cross, with Andersen and Guehi both losing sight of the forwards behind them. Because Andersen is ball watching and isn't picking anyone up Guehi goes to attack the player in front of him leaving the man he should be marking (Wissa) to have a free header. It's poor all round whether it's due to the tactical changes or the defending. Spot on. It's not the first time either. A similar thing happened for Liverpool's second goal against us at home last year. Andersen left a man to go towards the ball, meaning both Guehi and Mitchell had to place themselves at midpoints between three forwards, rather than marking one forward each. A good crosser can pick out his man when that happens.
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02 Sep 22 9.34am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Spot on. It's not the first time either. A similar thing happened for Liverpool's second goal against us at home last year. Andersen left a man to go towards the ball, meaning both Guehi and Mitchell had to place themselves at midpoints between three forwards, rather than marking one forward each. A good crosser can pick out his man when that happens.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 02 Sep 22 10.48pm
Whatever misgivings about the equaliser they should have had two more goals as a result of Vieira electing to play to their strengths and our weaknesses for the last fifteen minutes. The criticism of Guaita is way off the mark and if he hadn't made an excellent point blank save at the death we'd have got nothing. In the bullsh!t world of the Premier League too many overthink tactics and the whole idea of making five subs in a tight game with a squad as lacking in depth as ours is pathetic.
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Whatever misgivings about the equaliser they should have had two more goals as a result of Vieira electing to play to their strengths and our weaknesses for the last fifteen minutes.

The criticism of Guaita is way off the mark and if he hadn't made an excellent point blank save at the death we'd have got nothing.

In the bullsh!t world of the Premier League too many overthink tactics and the whole idea of making five subs in a tight game with a squad as lacking in depth as ours is pathetic.

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dreamwaverider London 03 Sep 22 5.16am
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid Whatever misgivings about the equaliser they should have had two more goals as a result of Vieira electing to play to their strengths and our weaknesses for the last fifteen minutes. The criticism of Guaita is way off the mark and if he hadn't made an excellent point blank save at the death we'd have got nothing. In the bullsh!t world of the Premier League too many overthink tactics and the whole idea of making five subs in a tight game with a squad as lacking in depth as ours is pathetic. There seem to be two different schools of thought. One being attack is the best form of defence. The second is our management philosophy of fear the worst and defend at all costs. Personally alongside Wilf I back the attack model. I’m a risk taker and believe we would have been the team scoring the second then hitting the bar if we had stayed in attack mode. It appears falling back and bringing on defensive bodies to shut up shop late in the game clearly doesn’t work. It must be at least 6 times now this tactic has let us down. We must believe in ousrselves and our very exciting attack and build on it not run for the hills. It doesn’t work for us.
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Whatever misgivings about the equaliser they should have had two more goals as a result of Vieira electing to play to their strengths and our weaknesses for the last fifteen minutes.

The criticism of Guaita is way off the mark and if he hadn't made an excellent point blank save at the death we'd have got nothing.

In the bullsh!t world of the Premier League too many overthink tactics and the whole idea of making five subs in a tight game with a squad as lacking in depth as ours is pathetic.

There seem to be two different schools of thought. One being attack is the best form of defence. The second is our management philosophy of fear the worst and defend at all costs. Personally alongside Wilf I back the attack model. I’m a risk taker and believe we would have been the team scoring the second then hitting the bar if we had stayed in attack mode. It appears falling back and bringing on defensive bodies to shut up shop late in the game clearly doesn’t work. It must be at least 6 times now this tactic has let us down.
We must believe in ousrselves and our very exciting attack and build on it not run for the hills. It doesn’t work for us.

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