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Davepalace707 Northumberland 31 Aug 22 11.28am | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
If last nights goal from Wilf, didn’t say why Palace can’t let him go nothing will. Spot on. And it’s not great either. The other forwards are lucky Wilf is there.
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TheBigToePunt 01 Sep 22 1.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Davepalace707
Spot on. And it’s not great either. The other forwards are lucky Wilf is there. I agree with you and Putitout in that Zaha is our best and most effective player by a mile, and we'd be in trouble without him (even if we are better placed now to survive when he goes). I'm not so sure the other forwards are lucky Wilf is there, though. Obviously, he provides goals that they do not (which is your point). However, if I was a Palace striker I would say that Wilf, for all his goals and even his assists, doesn't try to provide a stream of dangerous crosses in the way another winger might. When I was a kid, John Salako and Eddie McGoldrick were in the team exclusively to provide service to Wright and Bright, and for no other purpose whatsoever. If the wingers tried to score an individual goal, they would get both barrels from the strikers who, had they played with him, might have strangled Wilf by now! The use of a selfless striker, doing the hard yards for the benefit of a skillful but individualistic inside-forward is now commonplace, but it does generally come at the expense of the striker's goal-tally. In fairness to Wilf, this is a chicken-and-egg situation at Palace. A few years ago, Zaha would regularly beat his fullback and flash a dangerous ball across goal, only to see it go to waste as we didn't have a striker good enough to meet the ball. I think Wilf adapted to this. First, he stopped crossing it and started trying to draw fouls in the box, then he stopped running at fullbacks and focused on quickly shifting the ball to the side and shooting. That works, so he hasn't stopped doing it. Perhaps if we had a good enough striker Wilf would cross it more, and perhaps if Wilf crossed it more the strikers would look a bit better. Either way, I feel that we are luckier to have Wilf than our strikers are.
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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Sep 22 2.01pm | |
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Eddie McGoldrick had a bet with Uncle Ron one season he would score X number of goals and he did. Problem was he supposed to be on the wing not in the centre looking for someone else to cross the ball.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 01 Sep 22 2.45pm | |
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Chelsea have confirmed Aubameyang signing. I wonder if that has any impact on their alleged interest in our beloved son?
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Sep 22 2.50pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
I'm not so sure the other forwards are lucky Wilf is there, though. Obviously, he provides goals that they do not (which is your point). However, if I was a Palace striker I would say that Wilf, for all his goals and even his assists, doesn't try to provide a stream of dangerous crosses in the way another winger might. The use of a selfless striker, doing the hard yards for the benefit of a skillful but individualistic inside-forward is now commonplace, but it does generally come at the expense of the striker's goal-tally. ... Perhaps if we had a good enough striker Wilf would cross it more, and perhaps if Wilf crossed it more the strikers would look a bit better. Either way, I feel that we are luckier to have Wilf than our strikers are.
I notice that Olise often looks for Wilf rather than the striker as well. However, put an early decent cross in as Mitchell did against Villa and Bang, Mateta puts it away. And that's not the first time. Starting with his clever first ever goal for us (against THAT lot) from Ayew's cross he is often there to score or cause trouble. indeed, his goals for us have tended to come from crosses. Having said all that, Wilf remains a key player for us but I do wish he would show a bit more faith in our central strikers.
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TheBigToePunt 01 Sep 22 3.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Eddie McGoldrick had a bet with Uncle Ron one season he would score X number of goals and he did. Problem was he supposed to be on the wing not in the centre looking for someone else to cross the ball. I remember it well! For those who didn't see him play, Eddie was a good second-tier winger, then an average-to-poor top-tier winger who the crowd would sometimes 'express disappointment in'. Then, completely out of the blue one day, Coppell moved him to sweeper. Imagine if we suddenly put Mateta in goal - it was that unlikely. Anyway, for the rest of that season, he was utterly, spellbindingly brilliant. He made the game look so easy. He would nick the ball off striker's feet, dribble his way out from the back, start attacks, and hardly seem to break a sweat (note - I may be misremembering some of this....). He was so good that Arsenal bought him. Then they played him on the wing, and found out very quickly what we could have told them - that he wasn't very good there.
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TheBigToePunt 01 Sep 22 3.24pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
I notice that Olise often looks for Wilf rather than the striker as well. However, put an early decent cross in as Mitchell did against Villa and Bang, Mateta puts it away. And that's not the first time. Starting with his clever first ever goal for us (against THAT lot) from Ayew's cross he is often there to score or cause trouble. indeed, his goals for us have tended to come from crosses. Having said all that, Wilf remains a key player for us but I do wish he would show a bit more faith in our central strikers. Somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind is a bunch of stats showing how surprisingly inefficient and unproductive crosses actually are. I think this has perhaps led to the trend in inside-forwards, although as you say, the evidence of one's own eyes is that a good cross remains dangerous. It certainly helps the forward. I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Zaha (and now Olise and Eze) cutting inside has got us enough points to stay up. Whether we would have got as many by crossing the ball instead is what I believe idiots call a 'known unknown'. Perhaps we will find out in a post-Zaha era?
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southnorwoodhill 01 Sep 22 4.43pm | |
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I reckon PV has had Wilf watch a few reels of vintage Thierry Henry; the goal against Brentford was very much in the Henry mould.
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