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 Omph  Liverpool 06 Apr 22 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
I can understand people getting a bit carried away with the result against Arsenal. The reality is we have only won 27% of our Premier games this season, granted we haven’t lost that many. Absolutely. I don't see that Gallagher can be replaced like for like and there'll likely be a need for a tweak to our approach next season. The comforting thing is PV has shown this season that he is capable of working with the resources he has and producing a system that maximises the strengths of those players rather than simply shoe horning players into a system. Thinking here mostly of our asymmetrical defensive system.
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| dreamwaverider London 06 Apr 22 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Yes, but we have moved from lower mid table to upper mid table and the reason for the low win rate is the high draw rate, usually through silly errors mainly early season (save Wilf's comical pen miss) when we were transitioning with a new coaching team and many new squad players. The likely loss of CG will certainly hurt, and all this talk of Eze being an available replacement is tosh as they are very different players offering a very different service. Purely on a statistics note, positively, even if we had won or drawn those three or four earlier games this season with last minute goals against us, we would have added what, say 7 points. We are currently 12 points adrift of Wolves in 8th, so no difference. The big difference that I see is the way we are gelling into a formidable force. Our junior teams and our women are all right up there now. CPFC is becoming a progressive force in motion.
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| dreamwaverider London 06 Apr 22 1.13pm |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Something that's overlooked but been a massive factor in our turnaround and may even just have had some input from Harris and Blitzer is how Palace are run using a very American sports-team business model. Whatever job title you want to apply to his role, Dougie to all intents and purposes is what in the States they call a General Manager. It's now quite clear he runs the show and the scouting department and squad assembly fall to him. It's also quite clear that while he works with the manager, he's first among equals. Unlike how teams operated in the old days and some other teams still do even now, the manager doesn't choose and buy his own players. Dougie does the scouting and buying and decides what sort of player is right for the Palace ethos. Yes, the manager can input his own preferences but it's the general manager who has the final decision. That's as it should be, at least in the clear GM business model. And Dougie has been hugely successful in the role. He's put the bullets in the gun, then (along with Parish) found the right marksman (Vieira) to do the shooting using the fully loaded gun he's assembled. If Dougie's reputation was once diminished in these parts, it shouldn't be any more. As General Managers should be (in the States, they're broadly speaking just as high profile as coaches), he is the foundation stone on which everything this year has been built. And the owners (likely including Harris and Blitzer for the reasons given above) should get a lot of credit for installing a system to run the club that works, using their experience elsewhere to do so. Vieira, a brilliant choice of manager, is really the icing on the cake. A lot of credit to be handed out at Palace these days. Dougie should be getting the lion's share. That's a very good summing up of what we are turning into and an accurate observation that i had not really considered I wonder what role Mark Bright is playing in all of this? He has been on Parish's shoulder for a number of years now. As I recall they went out to the States together to meet Harris and Blitzer.
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| sydtheeagle England 06 Apr 22 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
I wonder what role Mark Bright is playing in all of this? That's a really interesting question. In one way, it's become quite enjoyable to poke fun at him in his public role of Steve Parish's fluffer but in another way, you have to believe he's doing at least something useful. My guess (and the word "guess" is underlined and in bold because it is only a guess) is that Bright probably serves the role in the boardroom that Derry serves on the coaching staff; he's the "continuity" candidate; the person the board rely for expertise about the club itself from the players, not the owner's or manager's perspective. Thus, I imagine when it comes to "fit" around big decision-making on a fairly wide variety of issues, he probably has input in answering the question "is this right for Crystal Palace?" If my guess is correct then Bright, too, appears to be doing a pretty good job. What I find instructive and shrewd with regard to our present owners is that they have gone beyond what many clubs do with regard to former players. Almost everyone uses them as ambassadors. Quite often, a popular ex-player is misguidedly given the manager's job at a club without any evidence that he's up to the task. But our owners have really found ex-players who have genuinely beneficial qualities and found useful, not just jobs-for-the-boys, roles for them. And it's a model that apparently works well. Dougie is an outstanding General Manager. Bright appears to be a very competent boardroom advisor. Derry is a useful member of the coaching staff. And McCarthy is a very good developer of young players. It's another area of performance in which our owners deserve a considerable measure of credit.
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| Qwijibo Bournemouth 06 Apr 22 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
I can understand people getting a bit carried away with the result against Arsenal. The reality is we have only won 27% of our Premier games this season, granted we haven’t lost that many. I've thought about this a lot. Our defense has improved markedly in recent weeks and inexperienced players are now a little more street wise. Perhaps one or two of those naive draws earlier in the season would now be slender wins. I do think some are getting a little carried away with our form. We are improving, but will severely miss Connor Gallagher. I feel he lost a bit of form from November to January which coincided with some poor results. It's only a few weeks since we couldn't even beat Burnley, Norwich or a pre-Eriksen Brentford, who were all badly off form at the time. But I'm sure everyone at the club is aware of his presence. When we sign players, they do tend to appear out of nowhere. I'm sure we are investigating all options, but with an ageing Kouyaté, Milivojovic and MacArthur, I worry where the engine room will come from. I suppose my paranoia is just normal from a lifetime of Palace. The optomist would see the fact that only 4 teams have lost fewer games than us. I just remember scars of being relegated 4th from bottom... or being safe with 8 minutes to go in 2005... or a late equaliser in the final.... or a Claridge shinned effort..... there's always a sob story eventually whenever I'm stupid enough to see the sunshine.
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| dg1937 06 Apr 22 6.59pm |
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There's another thread about Mateta but I suggest he is exhibit 1 in the case for PV and his coaching team. It was not so long ago that Mateta looked like a headless chicken skating on ice. He always seemed to have a knack for scoring goals but the rest of his play wasn't up to much. Still not the finished article but he's improving before our eyes. Exhibit 2: Mitchell. His progress this season is not an accident, he is benefiting from top quality coaching. Every time I see PV speak I am impressed by his calm authority. He has played at the very top, he is a proven winner, who wouldn't want to play for him (and that includes you, Conor!)?!
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| silvertop Portishead 07 Apr 22 10.43am |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Purely on a statistics note, positively, even if we had won or drawn those three or four earlier games this season with last minute goals against us, we would have added what, say 7 points. We are currently 12 points adrift of Wolves in 8th, so no difference. The big difference that I see is the way we are gelling into a formidable force. Our junior teams and our women are all right up there now. CPFC is becoming a progressive force in motion. Wait to see where we are come May. 5 points is closeable in the remaining games if we continue this run.
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