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SnapperKain Flag SE25 6PU 22 Mar 22 11.12am Send a Private Message to SnapperKain Add SnapperKain as a friend

It's been mentioned a few times, but I don't think comparing our points tally this time last season with what we have now can be used as an argument that we've not improved.

Last season we had an aged squad with a manager approaching retirement (who would have thought he'd go to Watford!) but with that a vast amount of premier league experience. This meant we could crank out the points needed, but it felt like this was the pinnacle of what could be achieved and if it was left like this, we would end up sliding down the table as the seasons wore on.

This season we have, as has been said often, a squad in transition with a high number of new players and with a manager completely unproven in the premier league. To be only 3 points off what we had last season and in the FA Cup semi-finals with the amount of change that we've had; far exceeds where I thought we would be.

Most importantly it doesn't feel like last season where this was the pinnacle and there was no way forward.

Feels like this squad is only just beginning...

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 22 Mar 22 11.50am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by SnapperKain

It's been mentioned a few times, but I don't think comparing our points tally this time last season with what we have now can be used as an argument that we've not improved.

Last season we had an aged squad with a manager approaching retirement (who would have thought he'd go to Watford!) but with that a vast amount of premier league experience. This meant we could crank out the points needed, but it felt like this was the pinnacle of what could be achieved and if it was left like this, we would end up sliding down the table as the seasons wore on.

This season we have, as has been said often, a squad in transition with a high number of new players and with a manager completely unproven in the premier league. To be only 3 points off what we had last season and in the FA Cup semi-finals with the amount of change that we've had; far exceeds where I thought we would be.

Most importantly it doesn't feel like last season where this was the pinnacle and there was no way forward.

Feels like this squad is only just beginning...

I wholeheartedly agree!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Ipswich Eagle Flag Ipswich 22 Mar 22 2.10pm Send a Private Message to Ipswich Eagle Add Ipswich Eagle as a friend

They key to me is keeping this young core together. If we can fend off other clubs around us in the table for the next year or two, that's when I think I'll recognise the magnitude of the gear shift as a club.

I'm absolutely loving being a Palace fan, but part of me feels it's a bit of "luck" currently. Turns out PV actually isn't a dud manager, CG apparently woke up and decided to be world class etc.

The test for us as a club will be telling Everton, West Ham, Arsenal, Spurs etc to f*** off when they come knocking for Olise, Guehi, Mitchell etc. As a club do we REALLY want to build and (as much as I can't stand this phrase) push on, or will we be always up for taking the 50m offers and banking the profits?

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 22 Mar 22 2.16pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Ipswich Eagle

They key to me is keeping this young core together. If we can fend off other clubs around us in the table for the next year or two, that's when I think I'll recognise the magnitude of the gear shift as a club.

I'm absolutely loving being a Palace fan, but part of me feels it's a bit of "luck" currently. Turns out PV actually isn't a dud manager, CG apparently woke up and decided to be world class etc.

The test for us as a club will be telling Everton, West Ham, Arsenal, Spurs etc to f*** off when they come knocking for Olise, Guehi, Mitchell etc. As a club do we REALLY want to build and (as much as I can't stand this phrase) push on, or will we be always up for taking the 50m offers and banking the profits?

I doubt any of our players fancy playing in the championship

What I would not like us to become, is a Southampton-esque model of churning out talent only to sell players on to 'bigger' clubs, some of whom would have been far better off staying in the first place! Would be nice to establish ourselves in the top half and perhaps be pushing for Europe. Ambitious, yes, but fantasy? I'd argue not. Nice to have these ambitions beyond hoping just to stay in the PL for another year.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 22 Mar 22 2.29pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by SnapperKain

It's been mentioned a few times, but I don't think comparing our points tally this time last season with what we have now can be used as an argument that we've not improved.

Last season we had an aged squad with a manager approaching retirement (who would have thought he'd go to Watford!) but with that a vast amount of premier league experience. This meant we could crank out the points needed, but it felt like this was the pinnacle of what could be achieved and if it was left like this, we would end up sliding down the table as the seasons wore on.

This season we have, as has been said often, a squad in transition with a high number of new players and with a manager completely unproven in the premier league. To be only 3 points off what we had last season and in the FA Cup semi-finals with the amount of change that we've had; far exceeds where I thought we would be.

Most importantly it doesn't feel like last season where this was the pinnacle and there was no way forward.

Feels like this squad is only just beginning...


He's there to widen the Watford Age Gap

 

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pssguy Flag 22 Mar 22 2.49pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

There's a good article in The Times today by Henry Winter - 'Why Palace are going places with Vieira'. It's probably accessible online if you haven't got the paper. Worth a squint.

It's behind a paywall

 

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pssguy Flag 22 Mar 22 2.53pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Particularly if we pull off a surprise and win the FA cup, I wonder whether any of the multiple suitors after Chelsea - but failing to land them - will turn their attention in our direction. Probably not for the best

 

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Uphill Flag Bedford 22 Mar 22 3.00pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy
It's behind a paywall

Here it is, minus the photos:

Why Crystal Palace are going places with Patrick Vieira
Henry Winter
, Chief Football Writer
Monday March 21 2022, 8.15pm, The Times

Patrick Vieira was driving home from Crystal Palace’s training ground one evening and decided to swing by the academy. He walked in, chatted to staff, swerved questions about his illustrious career with typical modesty, and went off to watch the under-13s and 14s train.

Vieira stood by the side of the pitch for 30 minutes, much to the delight of the players and coaches. The first-team manager, a legend of the game, had taken time out from his intense schedule to study the talent coming through. It meant so much to them, and this was not a one-off visit. Vieira drops by when he can, often when en route to watch a match. His work ethic as a manager matches his efforts as a player.

Those visits to the academy show Vieira’s attention to detail and love of the game, and help to build the feeling at Palace that they are all one team. The 45-year-old arrives for work early and leaves late. The staff and players know he will stop for a chat, shake hands, ask how they are, little touches of civility and humanity often lost in high-stakes workplaces.

It has taken Vieira more than a decade to become an overnight sensation as a manager. It has taken his constant desire to develop and also taken assistance from a range of individuals — from Brian Marwood at Manchester City to Claudio Reyna at New York City FC, and advice from Pep Guardiola along the way. It has also taken the work of Steve Parish, the chairman, Mark Bright, the former player now club ambassador, and Dougie Freedman, the sporting director, to create an environment in which Vieira now thrives at Palace.

Key to this progress has been Vieira’s quiet drive. Reyna, New York City’s then sporting director, would always marvel at how Vieira would review the tape of the day’s match twice before going to bed. Vieira’s spell at Nice between New York City and Palace was marred by occasionally confused and unconvincing tactics, ultimately costing him his job in 2020, but his determination to pursue a career as a manager ensured that he absorbed every lesson he could, however painful, and so improved.

It is why he has managed to take four points off Guardiola’s Manchester City this season. He frequently talks of his love of entertaining football, almost a purist philosophy, and Conor Gallagher’s goal against Brighton & Hove Albion in January involved every player, including the goalkeeper Jack Butland, but Vieira also possesses a pragmatic streak. His tactics in both games against City, packing the centre, and unleashing Gallagher to press high, forced City wide where Jack Grealish, Gabriel Jesus and Riyad Mahrez were then ambushed. It required constant concentration and ceaseless work but Palace managed to stop City scoring over 180 minutes. Then counter using the pace.

When Vieira spoke after Sunday’s 4-0 FA Cup quarter-final win over Everton, he kept repeating: “It is just one step forward.” He can keep all the understandable fans’ euphoria at reaching Wembley in perspective, having played in eight FA Cup semi-finals himself. It is all about taking the next step forward for the team, just as he too develops.

The humble Vieira has shown he is a man of substance
The humble Vieira has shown he is a man of substance
SEBASTIAN FREJ/MB MEDIA/GETTY IMAGES
It is down to Vieira’s determination to make it as a manager, dating back to 2011 when he retired from playing and began doing his coaching badges. As Arsène Wenger appeared reluctant to appoint heavyweight names as his assistant at Arsenal, Marwood appreciated Vieira’s promise and ambition at City in 2013. He spent a week studying Guardiola at Bayern Munich and his development continued at New York City, but his career appeared to have stalled at Nice after a promising start.

So there was some trepidation when Palace appointed him last summer. He was still unproven. Yet staff were excited at their new manager saying that he hoped to play Michael Olise, Wilfried Zaha and Eberechi Eze in the same team. Some statement of attacking intent. He did exactly that against Everton, with Gallagher joining Eze in pushing on from midfield and Jean-Philippe Mateta up front.

Vieira has developed tactically, building around his 4-3-3 system, always thinking deeply, drawing on all the knowledge acquired as a player, especially at Inter Milan when talking tactics with team-mates.

He becomes so absorbed in the game, so determined to maintain engagement with his players on the field, that he can wander from his technical area, as at Old Trafford in December when he strolled in front of Manchester United’s dugout towards the Stretford End such was his desire to communicate with his team. He has always talked about “that intensity, the love for the game, the passion for the game”.

Eze started against Everton alongside Olise and Zaha in a very attacking Palace side
Eze started against Everton alongside Olise and Zaha in a very attacking Palace side
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His “just one step forward” philosophy reflects his attitude as a player, focused on maintaining momentum. He was too often depicted as the warrior, rucking with Roy Keane in the tunnel during his Arsenal days, charging through games, yet there has always been a subtlety to Vieira’s play, just as there is to him as a man and a manager.

People can forget what a magnificent all-round player he was, that he was blessed with touch and intelligence as well as tenacity in winning the 1998 World Cup and Euro 2000 with France, becoming an Invincible with Arsenal and four-times Serie A winner with Inter. He has always been surrounded by success, and that enhanced his mindset.

He has made Palace less reliant on Zaha, who seems to be relishing life under Vieira. He has quietly demanded players take responsibility, as he did. Vieira’s last touch for Arsenal was a penalty in a shoot-out against Manchester United to win the FA Cup in 2005. He has improved Palace at set pieces and made them more watchable. He has tapped into the fantastic atmosphere whipped up by the Holmesdale Fanatics and other supporters at Selhurst Park, that bond and backing giving the players even more belief.

Any comparisons to previous great Palace eras such as the celebrated times with Terry Venables or Steve Coppell in charge are premature. Where echoes are found are in the influence of a remarkable manager, the atmosphere, the buzz around the team and the stadium, the home-grown players in the teams of Venables (Kenny Sansom and Vince Hilaire), shrewd recruiting under Coppell (Ian Wright for £30 a week initially, Bright signed for £75,000, Geoff Thomas for £50,000, Alan Pardew for £7,500, as well as academy lad Gareth Southgate), and now the mix of home-grown and smart signings for which Parish and Freedman deserve great praise. Due credit must also be afforded Roy Hodgson and Ray Lewington for their vital work in keeping Palace up during straitened times.

Gallagher has made a big impact since joining Palace on loan from Chelsea

Last summer was huge for Palace. Players such as Andros Townsend, Wayne Hennessey, Patrick van Aanholt, Connor Wickham, Gary Cahill and Scott Dann left. Two thirtysomethings, James McCarthy and Mamadou Sakho, were released. Gallagher, 22, on loan from Chelsea, and Marc Guéhi, the 21-year-old who cost £18 million from Chelsea, arrived and both are now in the England squad. Olise, 20, cost only £8.4 million from Reading. Mateta, signed from Mainz for about £8 million after a loan spell, is proving a versatile target man.

South London is a hotbed of football talent and the presence of Vieira at Palace will encourage even more gifted youngsters to join the impressive academy. Their parents will have grown up watching Vieira and anybody who meets this humble champion realises what a man of substance he is. No wonder Palace are going places under Vieira, including Wembley.

 

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pssguy Flag 22 Mar 22 3.10pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

Here it is, minus the photos:
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Thanks for that. I can't believe we paid as much as £7,500 for Alan Pardew

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Mar 22 3.19pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Let's beat Chelsea for Viera, ourselves and a bit of footballing decency for once. The final can be our free shot. Probably Friend reffing against Liverpool.

 


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