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sydtheeagle England 28 Mar 22 6.19pm
Originally posted by Omph Pretty sure he's best disregarded when it comes to looking at the squad. As I wrote at greater length above, I agree with this completely. If Ferguson ever recovers to play a significant role at Palace I will, like all of us, be delighted but the chances it will ever happen are at this point vanishingly small. He's had what is often a career-ending injury and two years later, he's not really come back. When he's tried, he gets injured again which suggests compensation injuries are now arising from the original damage. From a planning point of view, the only option is to presume Ferguson will be unable to contribute anything moving forward and hope to be pleasantly surprised if it's proved otherwise. Most likely, I suspect he will quietly leave permanently or on loan sometime next season, or when his contract expires next summer. The moral is that no matter the cost, high or a bargain, buying injured players is never a good idea. Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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England 28 Mar 22 6.19pm

Originally posted by Omph

Pretty sure he's best disregarded when it comes to looking at the squad.

As I wrote at greater length above, I agree with this completely. If Ferguson ever recovers to play a significant role at Palace I will, like all of us, be delighted but the chances it will ever happen are at this point vanishingly small. He's had what is often a career-ending injury and two years later, he's not really come back. When he's tried, he gets injured again which suggests compensation injuries are now arising from the original damage.

From a planning point of view, the only option is to presume Ferguson will be unable to contribute anything moving forward and hope to be pleasantly surprised if it's proved otherwise. Most likely, I suspect he will quietly leave permanently or on loan sometime next season, or when his contract expires next summer. The moral is that no matter the cost, high or a bargain, buying injured players is never a good idea.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 05 Apr 22 9.09am
I thought Nketiah looked a decent player when he came on, definitely a yes for me as he is free and hopefully realistic about his wages “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 05 Apr 22 9.09am

I thought Nketiah looked a decent player when he came on, definitely a yes for me as he is free and hopefully realistic about his wages

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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palace99 New Mills 05 Apr 22 9.28am
Originally posted by Crystal_Clear I have serious doubts to whether Nathan Ferguson will ever be the player he was pre knee injury. Knee injuries ruin careers. Recently, you only have to look at Connor Wickham to see what a knee injury can do to a player. Going back over the years you can take plenty of examples. Man City had an extremely gifted player in Paul Lake whose career was cut extremely short through knee injuries. Going back further we had Kevin Mabbutt who had to retire through a knee injury. The other issue is that Ferguson doesnt play in flair position, his main duties will be tackling, jumping etc. That is going to put more strain on the body. Hence why he is breaking down. Will be a terrible shame if he doesnt make it, but he isnt first and wont be the last through a knee injury. Loads of players make full recovers from ACL injuries these days. I remember Zlatan Ibrahimovic at Man U getting the same injury in his mid 30s and was playing again 9 months later. He is now 40 and still playing at a high standard. Examples such as Mabbutt (in the early 80s), Lake and Wickham all have one thing in common - they were very injury prone before they got knee injuries. Maybe wear and tear plays a part too. Hopefully Fergie will be ok, but i agree it is a concern as he is so young Edited by palace99 (05 Apr 2022 9.32am)
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New Mills 05 Apr 22 9.28am

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

I have serious doubts to whether Nathan Ferguson will ever be the player he was pre knee injury.

Knee injuries ruin careers.

Recently, you only have to look at Connor Wickham to see what a knee injury can do to a player.

Going back over the years you can take plenty of examples. Man City had an extremely gifted player in Paul Lake whose career was cut extremely short through knee injuries.

Going back further we had Kevin Mabbutt who had to retire through a knee injury.

The other issue is that Ferguson doesnt play in flair position, his main duties will be tackling, jumping etc. That is going to put more strain on the body. Hence why he is breaking down.

Will be a terrible shame if he doesnt make it, but he isnt first and wont be the last through a knee injury.

Loads of players make full recovers from ACL injuries these days.
I remember Zlatan Ibrahimovic at Man U getting the same injury in his mid 30s and was playing again 9 months later. He is now 40 and still playing at a high standard.

Examples such as Mabbutt (in the early 80s), Lake and Wickham all have one thing in common - they were very injury prone before they got knee injuries. Maybe wear and tear plays a part too.

Hopefully Fergie will be ok, but i agree it is a concern as he is so young

Edited by palace99 (05 Apr 2022 9.32am)

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sydtheeagle England 06 Apr 22 3.49pm
Originally posted by palace99 Loads of players make full recovers from ACL injuries these days. Edited by palace99 (05 Apr 2022 9.32am) No, they don't. Many make a full recovery, but not lots. According to the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine, around 35% of post ACL returning athletes suffer a subsequent injury. In medical terms, that's a horribly high figure and a very poor outcome. Imagine if appendix or hernia surgeries had only a 65% total success rate. We'd be up in arms. According to the British Journal of Sports Medicine, 17% of ACL injuries see the player never coming back at all, again a very high failure rate even though 83% playing subsequent to the surgery sounds good on paper. Of those 83%, a further 5.2% suffer exactly the same injury again (a tear of the grafted ligament). Lastly, an instructive comment from the Mayo Clinic: "Because they require high-speed changes of direction, the pro sports that carry the highest risk of ACL tears – soccer, (American) football and basketball – are also the ones in which it’s most difficult to make a complete recovery. It comes down to how much strain you put on the knee joint. Anything that elicits landing, cutting and pivoting is a greater challenge.” In short, a full back is going to have a particularly hard time. Source: ” Dr Tim Hewett, Mayo Clinic, researcher and an expert on the mechanics of ACL injury Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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England 06 Apr 22 3.49pm

Originally posted by palace99

Loads of players make full recovers from ACL injuries these days.

Edited by palace99 (05 Apr 2022 9.32am)

No, they don't. Many make a full recovery, but not lots.

According to the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine, around 35% of post ACL returning athletes suffer a subsequent injury. In medical terms, that's a horribly high figure and a very poor outcome. Imagine if appendix or hernia surgeries had only a 65% total success rate. We'd be up in arms.

According to the British Journal of Sports Medicine, 17% of ACL injuries see the player never coming back at all, again a very high failure rate even though 83% playing subsequent to the surgery sounds good on paper. Of those 83%, a further 5.2% suffer exactly the same injury again (a tear of the grafted ligament).

Lastly, an instructive comment from the Mayo Clinic: "Because they require high-speed changes of direction, the pro sports that carry the highest risk of ACL tears – soccer, (American) football and basketball – are also the ones in which it’s most difficult to make a complete recovery. It comes down to how much strain you put on the knee joint. Anything that elicits landing, cutting and pivoting is a greater challenge.” In short, a full back is going to have a particularly hard time. Source: ” Dr Tim Hewett, Mayo Clinic, researcher and an expert on the mechanics of ACL injury

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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silvertop Portishead 06 Apr 22 4.55pm
As someone who had a partial knee replacement last June I can concur with that. Obviously I am much older and less fit - fitness directly linked to speed of recovery. My wife had an ACL operation a few years ago and she had an interesting conversation with her surgeon. She had the choice. The "normal" route where the recovery is at least a year. And the "sportsman" route where the recovery time is at least 6 months. The warning was that the sporty route carries considerable risk of only short term recovery; whereas the normal route you are much more likely to be up and about and carrying out your normal life when fully "recovered". The trouble is that, even with the latter, the recovery is not full; and there are always issues with knee surgery where they replace damaged bits with plastic + metal. I consider it highly unlikely NF will play any professional football at the highest level.
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Portishead 06 Apr 22 4.55pm

As someone who had a partial knee replacement last June I can concur with that. Obviously I am much older and less fit - fitness directly linked to speed of recovery.

My wife had an ACL operation a few years ago and she had an interesting conversation with her surgeon. She had the choice. The "normal" route where the recovery is at least a year. And the "sportsman" route where the recovery time is at least 6 months.

The warning was that the sporty route carries considerable risk of only short term recovery; whereas the normal route you are much more likely to be up and about and carrying out your normal life when fully "recovered".

The trouble is that, even with the latter, the recovery is not full; and there are always issues with knee surgery where they replace damaged bits with plastic + metal.

I consider it highly unlikely NF will play any professional football at the highest level.

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