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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 15 Feb 22 8.30pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

A lot of the time I see it used by people with extreme right wing views who use the term as a stick to beat anyone they disparagingly and sneeringly refer to as 'The liberals' ie anyone who they consider to be intellectual and therefore part of a paedophile - condoning elite. Along with 'Marxist', which means anyone who even condiders the redistribution of wealth.

wtf are you going on about.

you obviously know what it means.
Paedo rings, marxism?

 


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Glazier#1 Flag 15 Feb 22 8.45pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall

wtf are you going on about.

you obviously know what it means.
Paedo rings, marxism?

I obviously know what it means to some, or what they'd want it to mean.

WTF am I on about? Look it up, see how it's used. Unless I'm making it up, which I'm not.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 16 Feb 22 8.47pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Well officially it's
Alert to injustices in society,especially racism.

If this were the case I would be woke, but it appears to be selective on each individuals perception of injustice.
Hurty words, not enough free stuff, not enough benefits, jokes about anyone, the list goes on.

It can go too far the other way though too.. in that patterns of 'jokes' can be used to attack specific demographics often to cover for deep seated dislike. Far right types often seek to get people onboard with extremely full on ideas, which are passed of as 'humour' or 'space for other ideas' - that they would close off for others in a heartbeat once in a position to do so.

Of course similarly it could be said that ultra woke far left types seek to shut down any view that doesn't pass their personal test, so there are problems with all such extremes. Ultimately, people should be able to joke about anything they like, left or right, in the spirit of humour and should band together for that to hold true. A line should only be drawn at any attitude or advocacy that leads to genuine harm to people, as I'm sure most would agree.


Edited by BlueJay (16 Feb 2022 9.09pm)

 

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Glazier#1 Flag 16 Feb 22 10.50pm Send a Private Message to Glazier#1 Add Glazier#1 as a friend

When I was young, certain attitudes were taken for granted.

No Irish, no blacks was often seen when places were for rent.

Words like the 'N' word and a multitude of others were commonly used against those with black skin. Those with Downs syndrome were looked down upon or pitied along with those who were called 'cripples'. Irish people were ridiculed as stupid and Irish jokes were ten a penny.

I remember talk of going 'P**i' bashing or 'Queer' bashing. Really, the examples of these attitudes are too many to mention. In my childhood this was the norm.

Many of these attitudes were defended and any defiance against them was vilified. 'what's the matter? Can't you take a joke?' would be trotted out.

I, for one, am pleased that many of these injustices have been challenged and that laws have been introduced to protect minorities from this corrosive and bullying culture. Still there were those who opposed this at the time. Many of us today shudder at the thought of past attitudes.

I suppose that is the birth of 'woke' culture. Yet there are those, even today, who still uphold blind prejudice and rail against any change of attitude. 'What's the matter? Can't you take a joke?' has been replaced by simply calling people 'snowflakes'

I should add that I'm not a fan of 'Cancel Culture', either. I feel uncomfortable that people are hauled over the coals for remarks uttered or written some fifteen years earlier when they were young.

If I'm honest, I blanch at some of the ways I acted and things I said when I was a youth but do feel that I'm a different person now. Surely, we all grow, develop and deserve a chance of redemption?

Yet, overall, I'm glad we've moved on in so many respects. I'd rather suffer feeling peeved at the excesses of sanctimonious 'Cancel Culture' than return to the 'bad old days'.

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BlueJay Flag UK 17 Feb 22 11.38pm

Originally posted by Glazier#1

When I was young, certain attitudes were taken for granted.

No Irish, no blacks was often seen when places were for rent.

Words like the 'N' word and a multitude of others were commonly used against those with black skin. Those with Downs syndrome were looked down upon or pitied along with those who were called 'cripples'. Irish people were ridiculed as stupid and Irish jokes were ten a penny.

I remember talk of going 'P**i' bashing or 'Queer' bashing. Really, the examples of these attitudes are too many to mention. In my childhood this was the norm.

Many of these attitudes were defended and any defiance against them was vilified. 'what's the matter? Can't you take a joke?' would be trotted out.

I, for one, am pleased that many of these injustices have been challenged and that laws have been introduced to protect minorities from this corrosive and bullying culture. Still there were those who opposed this at the time. Many of us today shudder at the thought of past attitudes.

I suppose that is the birth of 'woke' culture. Yet there are those, even today, who still uphold blind prejudice and rail against any change of attitude. 'What's the matter? Can't you take a joke?' has been replaced by simply calling people 'snowflakes'

I should add that I'm not a fan of 'Cancel Culture', either. I feel uncomfortable that people are hauled over the coals for remarks uttered or written some fifteen years earlier when they were young.

If I'm honest, I blanch at some of the ways I acted and things I said when I was a youth but do feel that I'm a different person now. Surely, we all grow, develop and deserve a chance of redemption?

Yet, overall, I'm glad we've moved on in so many respects. I'd rather suffer feeling peeved at the excesses of sanctimonious 'Cancel Culture' than return to the 'bad old days'.

A balanced and reflective take. Just sounds like you've developed as a person, have a heart, brain and moral compass. A useful, yet optional toolkit in life.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Feb 2022 11.40pm)

 

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