What you see here is a complete failure to deal with reality.

It's similar to their posts on this topic all the way through the thread. If you go back and read, it shows exactly why the opportunities to end this war failed and why the situation now is far worse and with hundreds of thousands of dead in the ground....lots of them the young men of Ukraine needed to rebuild the country now gone. 15 million Ukrainians are said to have left Ukraine for other countries. It's unlikely the lion's share will ever come back.

You will notice that none of the points deal with the factual reality and that's because essentially they don't know what they are talking about. It's just surface level waffle. It's very Boris Johnson.

Let's deal with this word, 'appeasement'. It's become a word justified for continuing a war, we could use before any negotiation that isn't total victory. It's ridiculous.

Did we 'appease' the IRA?
Did we 'appease' the Taliban by abandoning Afghanistan?
Did we 'appease' insurgency groups by abandoning Iraq?
Did we 'appease' Viet Cong by abandoning Vietnam?
Did we 'appease' Stalin by not going to war over his control of Poland and Hungary and other eastern european states?

Show that to anyone who says 'appeasement' but who isn't willing to fight in a trench themselves.

All of a sudden people quickly find other ways of describing the situation and that's because it's an opinion. In the real world we have to deal in facts and what is possible. People who bet the farm because of 'dislikes' should not be in power.

No, you won't find this word used because reality overcomes the pointlessness of using words like 'appeasement'.

It's the lack of reality that annoys me. Ok, let's look back at what it would take Ukraine to beat Russia. It doesn't have the population numbers...I was saying this at the start. If you have a situation where both countries are willing to go to the wire Ukraine loses everytime....which is precisely what is happening.
Russia also has the far larger military machine.

If you want to beat Russia you have to send Nato troops and escalate to WW3. It's possible Russia can be beaten in Ukraine but its more likely we all die. It all comes down to the blood cost states are willing to give.

It really isn't that complicated.

The only way you could have convinced Russia to stop would have been by destroying its economy and that was always unrealistic given how important its massive resources are. They just redirected, meaning we get much more expensive energy long term.

The definition of stupid if you ask me.

The US state department had no business in Ukraine trying to turn that country from a neutral to anti Russian. The US wouldn't have accepted the same thing being done to them as history shows. Putin warned about this back in 2008 but was ignored....that by the way is the answer to this claim that Putin's here for continual war.

The Biden family and other movers at that time need investigation as to what went on. The massive cost to the west falls into the hundreds of billions because of these elites.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jul 2024 7.28am)

Yep, it's remarkable how often conspiracy theorists end up being right.

Epstein didn't kill himself....I thought I'd throw that in for no apparent related reason.