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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Jul 21 3.28pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Yes, fantastic news for the EU which is on target to be a world leader in EV technology. Yes, £26 billion to our European friends,job creation, whats not to like?
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Any european country i fancy! 10 Jul 21 3.28pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

Yes, fantastic news for the EU which is on target to be a world leader in EV technology.

Yes, £26 billion to our European friends,job creation, whats not to like?

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Jul 21 3.30pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer The cavalry charge towards having everything powered by electricity is mind bending. Not just for vehicles. The government want us to do away with our gas boilers too. As The Dolphin says above, where is all the power coming from? Certainly not here. Our existing power stations can't provide enough of the stuff. Remember the issue in the Channel Islands recently when France threatened to cut off their power supply in the dispute over fishing rights. Wind farms are spreading like a disease and are a blot on the countryside, not to mention the seaside. Nuclear is the only way to go, but the cost and risks are enormous. On the subject of electric cars, an 84 year old chap has just converted his 1934 Austin 7 to run on lithium batteries, just to give himself something to do. All true old fella, but think of the lovely business!
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Any european country i fancy! 10 Jul 21 3.30pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

The cavalry charge towards having everything powered by electricity is mind bending. Not just for vehicles. The government want us to do away with our gas boilers too.

As The Dolphin says above, where is all the power coming from? Certainly not here. Our existing power stations can't provide enough of the stuff. Remember the issue in the Channel Islands recently when France threatened to cut off their power supply in the dispute over fishing rights.

Wind farms are spreading like a disease and are a blot on the countryside, not to mention the seaside. Nuclear is the only way to go, but the cost and risks are enormous.

On the subject of electric cars, an 84 year old chap has just converted his 1934 Austin 7 to run on lithium batteries, just to give himself something to do.

All true old fella, but think of the lovely business!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Jul 21 3.35pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Everyone conveniently forgets the "green" cost of making the batteries - isn't making one battery the equivalent damage that running a deisel car for 5 years does? Also creating the electricity required to run these cars. The emissions are enormous. The car industry and governments around the world are conning us the same way they did with diesel engines. They build cars so well now that they last a long time so they now need zillions of us to HAVE to buy new cars. A massive con and massive damage to the planet. Yes, its been going on for years, Boris as mayor made us London cabbies get rid of our fairway taxis, 15 year age limit, even though they had the best nissan engines in, to buy the tx1/2, ford engines, totally useless, all forthe environment! A scientist told Boris to bog ov, he said it was greener to keep the old nissans on the road, than building a new taxi from scratch, it fell on Boris deaf ears!
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Any european country i fancy! 10 Jul 21 3.35pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Everyone conveniently forgets the "green" cost of making the batteries - isn't making one battery the equivalent damage that running a deisel car for 5 years does?
Also creating the electricity required to run these cars.
The emissions are enormous.
The car industry and governments around the world are conning us the same way they did with diesel engines.
They build cars so well now that they last a long time so they now need zillions of us to HAVE to buy new cars.
A massive con and massive damage to the planet.

Yes, its been going on for years, Boris as mayor made us London cabbies get rid of our fairway taxis, 15 year age limit, even though they had the best nissan engines in, to buy the tx1/2, ford engines, totally useless, all forthe environment! A scientist told Boris to bog ov, he said it was greener to keep the old nissans on the road, than building a new taxi from scratch, it fell on Boris deaf ears!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Jul 21 3.39pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer The cavalry charge towards having everything powered by electricity is mind bending. Not just for vehicles. The government want us to do away with our gas boilers too. As The Dolphin says above, where is all the power coming from? Certainly not here. Our existing power stations can't provide enough of the stuff. Remember the issue in the Channel Islands recently when France threatened to cut off their power supply in the dispute over fishing rights. Wind farms are spreading like a disease and are a blot on the countryside, not to mention the seaside. Nuclear is the only way to go, but the cost and risks are enormous. On the subject of electric cars, an 84 year old chap has just converted his 1934 Austin 7 to run on lithium batteries, just to give himself something to do. I saw that the cost of replacing your boiler, if/when this new law comes in, with the new underfloor stuf that goes with it, will be around £18000, as oppose to the cost of a new gas boiler £1800/£3000, the good news is their might be boris grants/loans, first come etc! Win win-for business!
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Any european country i fancy! 10 Jul 21 3.39pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

The cavalry charge towards having everything powered by electricity is mind bending. Not just for vehicles. The government want us to do away with our gas boilers too.

Wind farms are spreading like a disease and are a blot on the countryside, not to mention the seaside. Nuclear is the only way to go, but the cost and risks are enormous.

On the subject of electric cars, an 84 year old chap has just converted his 1934 Austin 7 to run on lithium batteries, just to give himself something to do.

I saw that the cost of replacing your boiler, if/when this new law comes in, with the new underfloor stuf that goes with it, will be around £18000, as oppose to the cost of a new gas boiler £1800/£3000, the good news is their might be boris grants/loans, first come etc! Win win-for business!

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silvertop Portishead 10 Jul 21 8.23pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Electric cars may not be perfect but don't forget they will also reduce air pollution which is a problem in the cities. I expect over time technology will find a solution to the more anti greens bits. They are already looking for an alternative to a lithium battery. Maybe the Hydrogen car is the answer I don't know but anything that gets petrol and diesel off the road and reduces our dependency on oil sounds good to me. Good post but I wonder if tech is moving fast enough. If everyone went elec today the grid would collapse
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Portishead 10 Jul 21 8.23pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Electric cars may not be perfect but don't forget they will also reduce air pollution which is a problem in the cities. I expect over time technology will find a solution to the more anti greens bits. They are already looking for an alternative to a lithium battery.

Maybe the Hydrogen car is the answer I don't know but anything that gets petrol and diesel off the road and reduces our dependency on oil sounds good to me.

Good post but I wonder if tech is moving fast enough. If everyone went elec today the grid would collapse

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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Jul 21 8.32pm
Originally posted by croydon proud I saw that the cost of replacing your boiler, if/when this new law comes in, with the new underfloor stuf that goes with it, will be around £18000, as oppose to the cost of a new gas boiler £1800/£3000, the good news is their might be boris grants/loans, first come etc! Win win-for business! I can't see gas boilers being phased out just yet as the technology isn't quite there yet and as you say the price is crazy money. A noble ambition but all the alternatives have problems at the moment. One more point
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Beckenham 10 Jul 21 8.32pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

I can't see gas boilers being phased out just yet as the technology isn't quite there yet and as you say the price is crazy money.

A noble ambition but all the alternatives have problems at the moment.

One more point

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 11 Jul 21 1.48pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I can't see gas boilers being phased out just yet as the technology isn't quite there yet and as you say the price is crazy money. A noble ambition but all the alternatives have problems at the moment. Lets hope so Badger, leave that taking out a mortgage for a boiler to the next generation!
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Any european country i fancy! 11 Jul 21 1.48pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I can't see gas boilers being phased out just yet as the technology isn't quite there yet and as you say the price is crazy money.

A noble ambition but all the alternatives have problems at the moment.

Lets hope so Badger, leave that taking out a mortgage for a boiler to the next generation!

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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Jul 21 2.28pm
At the present rate of global warming we will have fried long any of this comes on-stream. Amazingly the UK has zero emissions target of 2050!
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Croydon 11 Jul 21 2.28pm

At the present rate of global warming we will have fried long any of this comes on-stream.

Amazingly the UK has zero emissions target of 2050!

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cryrst The garden of England 11 Jul 21 4.03pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I can't see gas boilers being phased out just yet as the technology isn't quite there yet and as you say the price is crazy money. A noble ambition but all the alternatives have problems at the moment. What will probably happen is that boilers under a certain efficency rating will be phased out. If a sum can be put forwards to show high efficiency is as good as electric heat pumps including using the energy from the grid to run it then it's no difference. Alongside that there will possibly be some sort of incentive to replace a low efficiency boiler. If you can get up to 90% efficient then it's a good boiler. Not many out there at present but with time it will happen.
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The garden of England 11 Jul 21 4.03pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I can't see gas boilers being phased out just yet as the technology isn't quite there yet and as you say the price is crazy money.

A noble ambition but all the alternatives have problems at the moment.

What will probably happen is that boilers under a certain efficency rating will be phased out.
If a sum can be put forwards to show high efficiency is as good as electric heat pumps including using the energy from the grid to run it then it's no difference.
Alongside that there will possibly be some sort of incentive to replace a low efficiency boiler. If you can get up to 90% efficient then it's a good boiler.
Not many out there at present but with time it will happen.

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