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sickboy Deal or Croydon 12 Jul 21 2.36am | |
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Originally posted by sickboy
Meant managers in the first line
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ex hibitionist Hastings 12 Jul 21 1.59pm | |
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Originally posted by sickboy
Thanks willo. What utter and absolute drivel? Barely worth dignifying with a response - if someone has 1000 difficult things to do and does 997 of them perfectly, and the other three not quite so well of course you ignore the 997 and focus on the three cos it makes you feel less of a loser. We had them on toast for half an hour, like v Croatia in 2018, but didn't take full advantage when ascendant - the 3-4-3 totally discombobulated Mancini and the Italians, Trippier had acres of space, their midfield couldn't take control, their full backs and wide forwards couldn't link up, Kane was dropping deep to avoid Chielini/Bonucci - then they started to play with more width and got back into it. I agree Southgate waited for them to equalise and was reactive rather than proactive - the players looked too tired to attack sometimes but we were getting into a rut from chasing the ball so much, we did manage to snap out of it and start attacking again late in the game and change should have happened earlier, I don't know why Mount is ahead of Grealish and thought he should come on earlier, but the manager has his reasons, and when his reasoning proves consistently superior to mine or any one else on here you have to give him some slack and some respect, unless you are a clueless child. I think Shaw (what a player!) and Grealish should have taken the third and fourth pens but professor hindsight is the cleverest man in the world - Mancini outdid Southgate tactically over 120 mins, but to say the coach was the difference id b*ll*x - Southgate pulled the rug from under him with the team he picked - we need to look at how players like Veratti control the game, he almost did to us what Pirlo did in the 2012 Euros - amazing football intelligence.
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sickboy Deal or Croydon 12 Jul 21 9.12pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
What utter and absolute drivel? Barely worth dignifying with a response - if someone has 1000 difficult things to do and does 997 of them perfectly, and the other three not quite so well of course you ignore the 997 and focus on the three cos it makes you feel less of a loser. We had them on toast for half an hour, like v Croatia in 2018, but didn't take full advantage when ascendant - the 3-4-3 totally discombobulated Mancini and the Italians, Trippier had acres of space, their midfield couldn't take control, their full backs and wide forwards couldn't link up, Kane was dropping deep to avoid Chielini/Bonucci - then they started to play with more width and got back into it. I agree Southgate waited for them to equalise and was reactive rather than proactive - the players looked too tired to attack sometimes but we were getting into a rut from chasing the ball so much, we did manage to snap out of it and start attacking again late in the game and change should have happened earlier, I don't know why Mount is ahead of Grealish and thought he should come on earlier, but the manager has his reasons, and when his reasoning proves consistently superior to mine or any one else on here you have to give him some slack and some respect, unless you are a clueless child. I think Shaw (what a player!) and Grealish should have taken the third and fourth pens but professor hindsight is the cleverest man in the world - Mancini outdid Southgate tactically over 120 mins, but to say the coach was the difference id b*ll*x - Southgate pulled the rug from under him with the team he picked - we need to look at how players like Veratti control the game, he almost did to us what Pirlo did in the 2012 Euros - amazing football intelligence. Nope your wrong.
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YT Oxford 13 Jul 21 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
What utter and absolute drivel? Barely worth dignifying with a response - if someone has 1000 difficult things to do and does 997 of them perfectly, and the other three not quite so well of course you ignore the 997 and focus on the three cos it makes you feel less of a loser. We had them on toast for half an hour, like v Croatia in 2018, but didn't take full advantage when ascendant - the 3-4-3 totally discombobulated Mancini and the Italians, Trippier had acres of space, their midfield couldn't take control, their full backs and wide forwards couldn't link up, Kane was dropping deep to avoid Chielini/Bonucci - then they started to play with more width and got back into it. I agree Southgate waited for them to equalise and was reactive rather than proactive - the players looked too tired to attack sometimes but we were getting into a rut from chasing the ball so much, we did manage to snap out of it and start attacking again late in the game and change should have happened earlier, I don't know why Mount is ahead of Grealish and thought he should come on earlier, but the manager has his reasons, and when his reasoning proves consistently superior to mine or any one else on here you have to give him some slack and some respect, unless you are a clueless child. I think Shaw (what a player!) and Grealish should have taken the third and fourth pens but professor hindsight is the cleverest man in the world - Mancini outdid Southgate tactically over 120 mins, but to say the coach was the difference id b*ll*x - Southgate pulled the rug from under him with the team he picked - we need to look at how players like Veratti control the game, he almost did to us what Pirlo did in the 2012 Euros - amazing football intelligence. What you've recognised is the English tendency to give up the ascendency, as though everyone sh!ts themselves when they go ahead early in a big game. Instead of having a mindset to carry on and finish it off, we retreat and retreat - as if frightened of victory. The outcome is then inevitable, as passes go astray and clearances all give possession back to the opposition. This was, as you say, the case v Croatia in 2018 and again on Sunday, but we can go back many years and find previous examples. Although I don't want to get into a slagging off of Southgate, the coach must surely take responsibility for the prevalence of such a mindset.
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YT Oxford 13 Jul 21 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
This team doesn’t need a manager, it’ needs a physicist. They need help to believe England's hopes of winning anything always disappear into a black hole.
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YT Oxford 13 Jul 21 1.31pm | |
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Originally posted by OldFart
Well done England for getting as far as you did but when will modern players learn how to kick the ball 12 yards into the back of the goal. Instead of running up and kicking the ball so many seem to try to be too clever, stumble, stutter and end up with a very weak shot. Indeed, but it's funny how many 'too clever' penalties always seem to end up in the back of the England net.
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CrazyBadger Ware 13 Jul 21 2.35pm | |
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Originally posted by sickboy
Thanks willo. Hmm, where to start ? Maguire, Shaw, Stones all excellent agreed. but so were Phillips, Saka and Sterling. also, Shaw as a wingback may as well be part of the attack. For my money, GS didn't make any glaring errors all tournament.. until the 2nd half vs Italy. then he made loads, the biggest that he failed to do anything. This is where he failed. We have a coach to match the squad - both squad and coach are learning.
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