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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Sep 22 10.01am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Outside of all the flag-waving and Disney inspired 'Orish' rose-tinted glasses, can anybody seriously offer one reason why the average inhabitant of Northern Ireland would be better off as a citizen of Eire rather then the UK? Looking for practical reasons here. Matters of everyday existence. For example, something as mundane as say a visit to see your Doctor? What advantages does an inhabitant of Dublin have over their counterpart in Belfast? The dole is 210 a week in Ireland. You can easily get disability which is more like 270 a week, by saying you're an alcoholic or have anxiety. College and university is really cheap, almost free, although you will have absolutely no chance of getting accommodation. You will by no means be able to find, let alone afford, a rental property.
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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Sep 22 11.24am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
The dole is 210 a week in Ireland. You can easily get disability which is more like 270 a week, by saying you're an alcoholic or have anxiety. College and university is really cheap, almost free, although you will have absolutely no chance of getting accommodation. You will by no means be able to find, let alone afford, a rental property. Well once the glorious reunification has occurred the voters of Eire will soon discover that NI is massively subsidised by the UK taxpayer and it's now their problem. More likely the Irish politicians will start demanding that the UK continue to fund it. Of course if they want reparations perhaps they should look to Scotland after all it was James VI who started the plantation policy so I think it should be the SNP who pony up
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Sep 22 11.38am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Well once the glorious reunification has occurred the voters of Eire will soon discover that NI is massively subsidised by the UK taxpayer and it's now their problem. More likely the Irish politicians will start demanding that the UK continue to fund it. Of course if they want reparations perhaps they should look to Scotland after all it was James VI who started the plantation policy so I think it should be the SNP who pony up Just to let you know that the Plantations were a Tudor policy first: To balance some of the rhetoric and alleviate any collective guilt, proper research - rather than any Nationalistic stuff that Ireland is full of - has factually demonstrated that there were around 50% Irish living on the plantations (so not quite a little bit of England in Ireland) as apparently obligations and tenancies were often more favourable in English law than in Irish law. So all is not quite as it might seem at first sight.
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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Sep 22 12.03pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Just to let you know that the Plantations were a Tudor policy first: To balance some of the rhetoric and alleviate any collective guilt, proper research - rather than any Nationalistic stuff that Ireland is full of - has factually demonstrated that there were around 50% Irish living on the plantations (so not quite a little bit of England in Ireland) as apparently obligations and tenancies were often more favourable in English law than in Irish law. So all is not quite as it might seem at first sight. My bad I meant the plantation of Ulster was by the Jock king. You are correct about the rest of Ireland. I wish it had never happened but it did and the best thing the UK can do is try and untangle itself from it but there is always the risk that a democratic vote to rejoin will cause another civil war if the protestants refuse to accept it.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 23 Sep 22 12.07pm | |
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in the language of today : Plantation = Colonization, Ethnic Cleansing or a War-Crime. However, the history of Ulster can no more be undone than giving Manhatten back to the Native Americans. So lets let the Skyscrapers stay on 5th Avenue, and the Scottish-Prods stay in Antrim. NI is now British. The real irish don't want it. ------------------------------------------ And anyway, the Prods in Ulster all identify as Brits. Loyal and true to the Crown. They regard the Southern Irish as 'foreigners' and the South as a Popish Banana republic. The Prods feel more affinity with the Indians of Southall, the Afro-Caribbeans of Notting Hill or the Jews of North London.....the last fact being their hardcore support of the State of Israel. And as they are British, they must surely stay in the UK ? Ideally without many 'irish' neighbours living in the next street. The original creation of NI did never envisage a Catholic majority. And that presents some new problems. Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Sep 2022 12.27pm)
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corkery Cork City 23 Sep 22 3.25pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
The dole is 210 a week in Ireland. You can easily get disability which is more like 270 a week, by saying you're an alcoholic or have anxiety. College and university is really cheap, almost free, although you will have absolutely no chance of getting accommodation. You will by no means be able to find, let alone afford, a rental property. You forgot the €900 fuel allowance and €500 Christmas bonus for the dole. The country owes 240B and still overspends.
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Matov 23 Sep 22 8.34pm | |
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Originally posted by corkery
You forgot the €900 fuel allowance and €500 Christmas bonus for the dole. The country owes 240B and still overspends.
One of my favourite moments of political malarkey was the night the R.O.I parliament voted through the bailout for the Irish banks. Like something out of a surreal, f***ed up, dark as f*** comedy of errors.
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corkery Cork City 23 Sep 22 9.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
One of my favourite moments of political malarkey was the night the R.O.I parliament voted through the bailout for the Irish banks. Like something out of a surreal, f***ed up, dark as f*** comedy of errors. Joke is on Europe. The money will never be paid back. Not at the way this place spends.
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Matov 24 Sep 22 12.58am | |
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Originally posted by corkery
Joke is on Europe. The money will never be paid back. Not at the way this place spends.
The R.O.I has no military to speak off (The RAF do all its air-defence), there is no NHS along the lines of the UK. Is all the money just spent on hand-outs? My sister runs the HR for a hotel chain and has a shocking time trying to get any Irish to work there. Its almost all Europeans applying for jobs.
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corkery Cork City 24 Sep 22 7.39am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
The R.O.I has no military to speak off (The RAF do all its air-defence), there is no NHS along the lines of the UK. Is all the money just spent on hand-outs? My sister runs the HR for a hotel chain and has a shocking time trying to get any Irish to work there. Its almost all Europeans applying for jobs. If you're a pensioner or on disability you get free travel. I think something like 1.5m out of 4m adults have free travel. Says it all. By law, 20% of all houses must be a freebie. You pay €350,000 for a house and the house right next to you is €30 a week.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Sep 22 11.05am | |
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Originally posted by corkery
If you're a pensioner or on disability you get free travel. I think something like 1.5m out of 4m adults have free travel. Says it all. By law, 20% of all houses must be a freebie. You pay €350,000 for a house and the house right next to you is €30 a week.
Those houses tend to go to our refugees now, rather than the people on the waiting list for years, don't they?
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corkery Cork City 24 Sep 22 12.34pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Those houses tend to go to our refugees now, rather than the people on the waiting list for years, don't they? No. They don't get social housing. Refugees(Ukrainians) go to hotels. The fake ones from Birmingham end up in Direct Provision camps.
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