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Matov 01 Jun 21 12.44pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Morals are the norms of a society. Sorry to be pedantic but morals are not the norms of a society. I suspect what you are referring to are more conventions. With those varying widely from nation to nation and even then, differing based on regional differences. Morality can only come from subscribing to a spiritual belief system that promotes the notion that there are universal rights and wrongs that are superior to any kind of man made conventions. But I concede I can be boring about this. If people want to be athiest, then best of British to them but it has to acknowledge that atheism means you get to make up your own rules because there is no higher power in your life. You are effectively your own God. Which is probably its biggest attraction along with being its most dangerous drawback.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Jun 21 2.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Sorry to be pedantic but morals are not the norms of a society. I suspect what you are referring to are more conventions. With those varying widely from nation to nation and even then, differing based on regional differences. Morality can only come from subscribing to a spiritual belief system that promotes the notion that there are universal rights and wrongs that are superior to any kind of man made conventions. But I concede I can be boring about this. If people want to be athiest, then best of British to them but it has to acknowledge that atheism means you get to make up your own rules because there is no higher power in your life. You are effectively your own God. Which is probably its biggest attraction along with being its most dangerous drawback.
Matov, I'm not going to get into a big argument about it but a couple of points. Morals are basically what I stated they are. They are the accepted standard behaviour of a society. Now, you would have a big point about Christian values being a big part of our morals and laws, but it's kind of a circular argument as societies often had similar morals before Christ was born. As for Athiests, you have a funny view of them. They are not their own gods, simply they do not believe that God or gods exist or regulate anything. Then it is up to humankind to sort its own issues, not for some kind of higher power to assess or intervene.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Jun 21 5.53pm | |
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the morality of many old religious books is deeply nasty & vindictive.
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Matov 01 Jun 21 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
If you consider it, atheism may then lead to responsible behaviour, rather than doing what you like and then asking for forgiveness, which is Catholicism's main attraction. I will light a candle and offer up a prayer for your unsaved soul!
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PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Jun 21 8.55pm | |
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some of the nastiest feckers i have ever met were deeply religious.
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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jun 21 12.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I am Catholic so tend to care what it thinks, and am willling to argue around that but if you are not Catholic, then fine, just ignore. But the issue around children being born out of wedlock is one that should concern us all. The benefits to wider society by having high levels of children born into traditional wedded families is staggering. Even ignoring all the religious stuff, the evolutionary advantages enjoyed by groups that place a high value on marriage and which contain a group shamming of people who do not abide by that convention is incredible. You want kids and want them to do well in life? Then get married before you have them. That single factor alone will benefit them, and everybody else by default. Marriage exists for a reason. Has evolved that way. And should not be taken lightly. Of crucial importance.
Being married is a legal contract, nothing more. If marrying helps couples achieve a sense of commitment they great. It's a personal choice. Obviously the children of the unmarried might experience prejudice from backward narrow minded thinkers or those that have experienced religious indoctrination. Religion has been a vehicle to encourage 'moral behaviour' but it has also been a vehicle for promoting I'll take atheism all day long. Morality exists outside of religion. It did before religion, and it will do going forward.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Jun 21 12.49pm | |
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Thanks, I do appreciate it. I will sacrifice a chicken and watch for good portents.
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