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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 16 Nov 20 9.01pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Looking out from my Croydon 'green' HQ I see expensive cars with only one occupier, where they are going I regularly walk and probably arrive quicker. I enjoyed my motoring but realised when it had to end. After a while you get used to it and wonder why you ever bothered. Every vehicle is a money-pit, it owns you - not the other way round. It is much more polluting than people realise, diesel fumes do kill people. I would like Edwardian pony and trap, but then I am stylish. You speak enough pony and trap "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 16 Nov 20 9.01pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Looking out from my Croydon 'green' HQ I see expensive cars with only one occupier, where they are going I regularly walk and probably arrive quicker.

I enjoyed my motoring but realised when it had to end.

After a while you get used to it and wonder why you ever bothered.

Every vehicle is a money-pit, it owns you - not the other way round.

It is much more polluting than people realise, diesel fumes do kill people.

I would like Edwardian pony and trap, but then I am stylish.

You speak enough pony and trap

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Nov 20 10.04pm
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Good luck with a pony in Croydon. It needs an acre of grass. Per pony. Also, see what becky wrote. All fine not having a car, but you have other transport. I would be more concerned it doesnt end up halal.
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Nov 20 10.04pm

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Good luck with a pony in Croydon. It needs an acre of grass. Per pony. Also, see what becky wrote. All fine not having a car, but you have other transport.

I would be more concerned it doesnt end up halal.

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Matov 17 Nov 20 9.47am
Heard this being pushed this morning on the basis that rather than charging fuel duty, the cost will be transfered to a per mile charge. But surely, unless I am missing some crucial factor here, fuel duty is already a form of charging per milage? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

17 Nov 20 9.47am

Heard this being pushed this morning on the basis that rather than charging fuel duty, the cost will be transfered to a per mile charge.

But surely, unless I am missing some crucial factor here, fuel duty is already a form of charging per milage?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Beckenham 17 Nov 20 10.06am
Originally posted by Matov Heard this being pushed this morning on the basis that rather than charging fuel duty, the cost will be transfered to a per mile charge. But surely, unless I am missing some crucial factor here, fuel duty is already a form of charging per milage? We will need a new tax to replace fuel duty I am more concerned with how this would work rather than the principle. As I previously posted if they install a black box this smacks of big brother and will be open to fraud. The people who use the roads the most should pay most which is how fuel duty works. I expect motorists will be up in arms whatever the solution is, one way to assuage that would be to include cyclists in any new tax regime. It's about time they started paying their way. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 17 Nov 20 10.06am

Originally posted by Matov

Heard this being pushed this morning on the basis that rather than charging fuel duty, the cost will be transfered to a per mile charge.

But surely, unless I am missing some crucial factor here, fuel duty is already a form of charging per milage?

We will need a new tax to replace fuel duty I am more concerned with how this would work rather than the principle. As I previously posted if they install a black box this smacks of big brother and will be open to fraud.

The people who use the roads the most should pay most which is how fuel duty works. I expect motorists will be up in arms whatever the solution is, one way to assuage that would be to include cyclists in any new tax regime. It's about time they started paying their way.

One more point

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Matov 17 Nov 20 10.15am
Originally posted by Badger11 We will need a new tax to replace fuel duty I am more concerned with how this would work rather than the principle. As I previously posted if they install a black box this smacks of big brother and will be open to fraud. Most modern cars are trackable as it is. And once people fall in line with being charged per-mile driven it will then be used to enforce speeding and so on. And they can also then control where you can drive. If they want to close down a city, simply make all the vehicles not start. Ditto with imposing curfews and so on. The more miles you drive, the more fuel duty you pay. As simple as that. This is about so much more than just revenue raising. This is about control. No other way of looking at it. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

17 Nov 20 10.15am

Originally posted by Badger11

Most modern cars are trackable as it is. And once people fall in line with being charged per-mile driven it will then be used to enforce speeding and so on.

And they can also then control where you can drive. If they want to close down a city, simply make all the vehicles not start. Ditto with imposing curfews and so on.

The more miles you drive, the more fuel duty you pay. As simple as that. This is about so much more than just revenue raising. This is about control. No other way of looking at it.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Eaglecoops CR3 17 Nov 20 10.25am
Originally posted by Matov Most modern cars are trackable as it is. And once people fall in line with being charged per-mile driven it will then be used to enforce speeding and so on. And they can also then control where you can drive. If they want to close down a city, simply make all the vehicles not start. Ditto with imposing curfews and so on. The more miles you drive, the more fuel duty you pay. As simple as that. This is about so much more than just revenue raising. This is about control. No other way of looking at it. This is the slippery slope without doubt. I’m actually thankful that by the time they get to the stage where they know where everyone is and control their every movement I’ll be long gone. If they want to improve the world just tell China to stop churning out CO2. Yeh, good luck with that.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 17 Nov 20 10.25am

Originally posted by Matov

Most modern cars are trackable as it is. And once people fall in line with being charged per-mile driven it will then be used to enforce speeding and so on.

And they can also then control where you can drive. If they want to close down a city, simply make all the vehicles not start. Ditto with imposing curfews and so on.

The more miles you drive, the more fuel duty you pay. As simple as that. This is about so much more than just revenue raising. This is about control. No other way of looking at it.

This is the slippery slope without doubt. I’m actually thankful that by the time they get to the stage where they know where everyone is and control their every movement I’ll be long gone.

If they want to improve the world just tell China to stop churning out CO2. Yeh, good luck with that.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Nov 20 12.11pm
Originally posted by Matov Heard this being pushed this morning on the basis that rather than charging fuel duty, the cost will be transfered to a per mile charge. But surely, unless I am missing some crucial factor here, fuel duty is already a form of charging per milage? Exactly. Pointless and costs more to setup and run such a tax per mile scheme. I don’t agree with any more taxes on fuel and travel but if it’s short non essential journeys they want to reduce then raising the fvck out of fuel duty would be the way to go rather than tax per mile. But I suppose the public don’t think that way before jumping in the car like they would knowing how much tax they’ll pay for driving to the gym or to pick up whatever when they’re sitting around anyway. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Nov 20 12.11pm

Originally posted by Matov

Heard this being pushed this morning on the basis that rather than charging fuel duty, the cost will be transfered to a per mile charge.

But surely, unless I am missing some crucial factor here, fuel duty is already a form of charging per milage?

Exactly. Pointless and costs more to setup and run such a tax per mile scheme. I don’t agree with any more taxes on fuel and travel but if it’s short non essential journeys they want to reduce then raising the fvck out of fuel duty would be the way to go rather than tax per mile. But I suppose the public don’t think that way before jumping in the car like they would knowing how much tax they’ll pay for driving to the gym or to pick up whatever when they’re sitting around anyway.

COYP

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 17 Nov 20 12.35pm
all well and good you greenies going on about getting rid of cars, you have public transport....I live in a rural area, 1 bus per day at 930am , nearest station 20 miles away...how do i get to work? Cycle? Yeah in a suit, in the pissing rain or snow, in the dark? Yeah ok, Ill carry on with my polluting diesel car thank you very much....leave the bikes for you green treehuggers, mind out for lorries though!
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The garden of England.(not really) 17 Nov 20 12.35pm

all well and good you greenies going on about getting rid of cars, you have public transport....I live in a rural area, 1 bus per day at 930am , nearest station 20 miles away...how do i get to work? Cycle? Yeah in a suit, in the pissing rain or snow, in the dark? Yeah ok, Ill carry on with my polluting diesel car thank you very much....leave the bikes for you green treehuggers, mind out for lorries though!

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Nov 20 12.54pm
Originally posted by the silurian all well and good you greenies going on about getting rid of cars, you have public transport....I live in a rural area, 1 bus per day at 930am , nearest station 20 miles away...how do i get to work? Cycle? Yeah in a suit, in the pissing rain or snow, in the dark? Yeah ok, Ill carry on with my polluting diesel car thank you very much....leave the bikes for you green treehuggers, mind out for lorries though! You haven’t logged onto the BBS mate. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Nov 20 12.54pm

Originally posted by the silurian

You haven’t logged onto the BBS mate.

COYP

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