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How will Derek Chauvin die ?
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 Stirlingsays  11 Jun 20 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
yep, it was in the training manual. And Derek Chauvin was the senior (training) officer of the group. Just a moot point, but restraint on the neck was largely unnecessary, as the suspect was already 'cuffed, and on the floor. As long as Chauvin is alive, i hope he is extremely fearful for his life/safety, to the utter detriment of any possible hope of a few seconds of enjoyment. I agree it was a wholly inappropriate restraint. I regard it as manslaughter myself, though I'm open to the idea that if he knew him and there was animosity it could be 2nd degree.....then again, what do I know, I thought that OJ knifed two people to death. As we know It really comes down to who sits on the jury.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Jun 20 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot
Wow really?? I never knew that... Quite unbelievable really... We certainly never had that method in the Met Police training manual Yep, I was surprised myself.
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| kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 11 Jun 20 8.39pm |
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I'm not sure on the US judicial system but certainly here we have guidelines that affect a trial with regard to a suspect being given a fair trial due to media reporting... If its the same over there then naturally this could cause issues.
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| Romford-Eagle Romford 11 Jun 20 11.56pm |
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I believe to be charged with 2nd degree murder, you have to prove it was premeditated, I doubt they could prove that the officer deliberately went out to kill him.
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| kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 12 Jun 20 12.07am |
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Originally posted by Romford-Eagle
I believe to be charged with 2nd degree murder, you have to prove it was premeditated, I doubt they could prove that the officer deliberately went out to kill him. From what I read I was under the impression that 2nd degree murder is committed if its not deliberate or premeditated.. I may of read it wrong though..
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| Stirlingsays 12 Jun 20 12.10am |
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Originally posted by Romford-Eagle
I believe to be charged with 2nd degree murder, you have to prove it was premeditated, I doubt they could prove that the officer deliberately went out to kill him. I think first is premeditated murder. I think second is kind of the opportunity presented itself stuff and you decided to murder....a crime of passion is second. I think they should have stuck with third....but hey, it's all about that jury. If the authorities and lawyers want him convicted they can set it up like that.....it's been done before and it'll be done that way again. I think he's guilty of third myself. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jun 2020 12.12am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jun 20 6.58am |
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The prosecutors need to get the charge correct. If they charge him with the wrong crime and the jury is fair minded he will get off. I don't know the various definitions but colloquially I would charge him with manslaughter. I do not believe he deliberately set out to kill him but his actions were reckless and led to his death.
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| stuckinbristol In the woodwork. 12 Jun 20 10.40am |
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Surely if that restraint is in the manual, he has a good defence. I know nothing of the law here, or in America!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jun 20 11.28am |
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Originally posted by stuckinbristol
Surely if that restraint is in the manual, he has a good defence. I know nothing of the law here, or in America! Yup which is why I favour manslaughter. There should have been a common sense point at which he realised that this chap was straggling to breath and bugger the manual.
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cryrst  The garden of England 12 Jun 20 9.23pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Yup which is why I favour manslaughter. There should have been a common sense point at which he realised that this chap was straggling to breath and bugger the manual. 8 years then.
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| Harpo Oxfordshire 19 Jun 20 9.37am |
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