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cryrst The garden of England 03 May 20 3.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The situation across the world has the potential for the following outcomes for many Governments. * Increased surveillance, both on CCTV, monitored movements and internet usage. * Huge amounts of personal data gathered. * Harvesting of massive amounts of DNA data under the guise of 'testing'. * Mass suppression of civil liberties All under Governments guises of "We're protecting you. It's for your own good"
There will be massive financial 'winners' out of this,....but the world just got a big dose of George Orwell and environments are entering a dynamic state of change. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 May 2020 3.23pm) Bit like Venezuela and Cuba.
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Badger11 Beckenham 03 May 20 4.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The situation across the world has the potential for the following outcomes for many Governments. * Increased surveillance, both on CCTV, monitored movements and internet usage. * Huge amounts of personal data gathered. * Harvesting of massive amounts of DNA data under the guise of 'testing'. * Mass suppression of civil liberties All under Governments guises of "We're protecting you. It's for your own good"
There will be massive financial 'winners' out of this,....but the world just got a big dose of George Orwell and environments are entering a dynamic state of change. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 May 2020 3.23pm) I like the way you state this then say on the downside. LOL.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 03 May 20 4.54pm | |
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Obviously I was talking about the 'opportunities' from a government's perspective. (any national government, regardless of political orientation) I think for the vast majority of working people, the world just got a whole lot 5hittier, and likely to get worse Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 May 2020 4.55pm)
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the.universal 03 May 20 5.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Obviously I was talking about the 'opportunities' from a government's perspective. (any national government, regardless of political orientation) I think for the vast majority of working people, the world just got a whole lot 5hittier, and likely to get worse Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 May 2020 4.55pm) It’s natural to speculate what will happen in future but overall things consistently get better over time. Coronavirus might put a dent in that but it won’t stop the ever present forward motion we have globally.
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Matov 04 May 20 1.42pm | |
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Originally posted by the.universal
It’s natural to speculate what will happen in future but overall things consistently get better over time. Coronavirus might put a dent in that but it won’t stop the ever present forward motion we have globally. Problem is how deep this dent will be? Seeing all the noise being made, I do wonder if tensions with China will be ramped up to such a level that it leads to open armed conflict? Perhaps a little hyperish but I can see a rather hawkish case to be made for looking to break China up or at least seeking to undermine its current regime. The Chinese play the long game and have accrued a lot of Western debt, along with playing silly games with currency and so on. This might be an excuse to try and bring them down a peg or two. Yes, there are a lot of Chinese but the US is still the biggest dog militarily and it might be seen as a case of now or never. Of course, all of this needs to be taken with a potentially huge pinch of salt and perhaps a result of my mind playing hysterical 'what if' game in terms of Real Politik but it is clear that globalisation, as it stands at the moment, China has enjoyed a lot of benefits. Covid potentially changes everything. And a weakened West, with Chinese finance looking to take advantage, might allow a more gung-ho mentality to take root against it. Certainly, no polling benefits as things stand to by taking a Sinophile approach. In fact quite the opposite.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 04 May 20 1.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Problem is how deep this dent will be? Seeing all the noise being made, I do wonder if tensions with China will be ramped up to such a level that it leads to open armed conflict? Perhaps a little hyperish but I can see a rather hawkish case to be made for looking to break China up or at least seeking to undermine its current regime. The Chinese play the long game and have accrued a lot of Western debt, along with playing silly games with currency and so on. This might be an excuse to try and bring them down a peg or two. Yes, there are a lot of Chinese but the US is still the biggest dog militarily and it might be seen as a case of now or never. Of course, all of this needs to be taken with a potentially huge pinch of salt and perhaps a result of my mind playing hysterical 'what if' game in terms of Real Politik but it is clear that globalisation, as it stands at the moment, China has enjoyed a lot of benefits. Covid potentially changes everything. And a weakened West, with Chinese finance looking to take advantage, might allow a more gung-ho mentality to take root against it. Certainly, no polling benefits as things stand to by taking a Sinophile approach. In fact quite the opposite. Couldn’t agree more. Be interesting to see how things play out with China
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Matov 04 May 20 2.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Couldn’t agree more. Be interesting to see how things play out with China
Oddly enough I suspect the actual 'cold' part of the conflict might be played out in Africa. China has spent the last couple of decades buying up huge swathes of the best agricultural and mineral resources across the continent, showing no hesitancy in bribing any and everybody. Essentially a form of economic imperialism without any real sense of even a pretence at 'duty of care'. And the Chinese are as racist as f***. And I don't mean in the casually ludicrous manner that the term gets bandied about in the West. I mean proper 'classical' racism that does not even acknowledge Africans as human. Even seen the Guardian touch on the current spate of racist attacks and behaviour going on in China against the tiny number of Africans who live there and in any other news cycle, it would be worthy of all sorts of (quite justified) righteous anger. Because that is what actual racism looks and plays out like. Indefensible behaviour. So expect a lot of ire to be aimed at China for how it behaves in Africa. Been deserved for a long while.
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Badger11 Beckenham 07 May 20 8.20am | |
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I am going to try and predict the fallout once we are over this crisis this is a punt nothing else as I doubt anyone can say with any certainty.: - Working from home part time / full time will become the norm for millions. That's all for the moment I am sure there will be plenty of things good or bad that no one will predict.
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Matov 07 May 20 8.39am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
But as to the EU, I expect to see a doubling down. Essentially the EU is inextricably linked to the Euro especially now with our departure given the size of our economy and us not involved. With the catch 22 due to loom large. The Northern European nations need more than ever to export goods in huge numbers. And they need to do that in a currency that makes that relatively cheap when compared to what the costs would be if they had retained their previous one. And the way you keep that currency undervalued? Making sure the southern euro nations remain poor. They are not going to relinquish that without a huge fight. If Italy, for example, decides to leave the EU then they will invariably have to leave the Euro. And if they do that then the whole rotten edifice will implode. I expect the EU to double down in terms of pushing for even more integration. Resistance will come from Holland and Germany, both of whom benefit immensely from the current misbalance of power. The EU is simply incapable of reform. Has no interest in it nor the institutional ability to be flexible enough.
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Badger11 Beckenham 07 May 20 9.21am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
But as to the EU, I expect to see a doubling down. Essentially the EU is inextricably linked to the Euro especially now with our departure given the size of our economy and us not involved. With the catch 22 due to loom large. The Northern European nations need more than ever to export goods in huge numbers. And they need to do that in a currency that makes that relatively cheap when compared to what the costs would be if they had retained their previous one. And the way you keep that currency undervalued? Making sure the southern euro nations remain poor. They are not going to relinquish that without a huge fight. If Italy, for example, decides to leave the EU then they will invariably have to leave the Euro. And if they do that then the whole rotten edifice will implode. I expect the EU to double down in terms of pushing for even more integration. Resistance will come from Holland and Germany, both of whom benefit immensely from the current misbalance of power. The EU is simply incapable of reform. Has no interest in it nor the institutional ability to be flexible enough.
I think this is the most likeliest outcome but it will depend will their voters see the EU as a liferaft ot the Titanic.
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DanH SW2 07 May 20 9.21am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I am going to try and predict the fallout once we are over this crisis this is a punt nothing else as I doubt anyone can say with any certainty.: - Working from home part time / full time will become the norm for millions. That's all for the moment I am sure there will be plenty of things good or bad that no one will predict.
I can see a lot of the above happening. Will be fascinating to see how what happens at the micro level with the change in behaviours affects the wider macro economy. Can see a huge boost for local economies for a lot of the reasons that you have stated above.
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