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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Dec 19 11.51am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Belief what you wish. All I will say is that if you think Boris Johnson is on the side of ordinary people in this country, the next 5 years will be a massive disappointment for you.

We had the chance to redistribute some wealth after 40 years of it mainly going to the top. We failed. Time to move on and try again, but better this time.

I'm not sure any politician is on the side of ordinary people. However for many the fear of Corbyn and McDonnell meant they either stayed away or voted Tory.

Johnson has no excuses he's been given the keys to the kingdom if he mucks up he only has himself to blame. My guess is that we will follow a steady as she goes middle of the road policy. Some will think he is not doing enough but the alternative was very radical and people got scared.

Most people want more money for the NHS and the police etc. However to pay for that you have to have a well run economy and I think most people didn't believe Labour could do that this.

Some of Labour's policies had traction but to sum up my feelings "too much too soon".

 


One more point

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 15 Dec 19 6.08pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Belief what you wish. All I will say is that if you think Boris Johnson is on the side of ordinary people in this country, the next 5 years will be a massive disappointment for you.

We had the chance to redistribute some wealth after 40 years of it mainly going to the top. We failed. Time to move on and try again, but better this time.

Define distribution of wealth.
Not in the literal way but how, what and which processes would be used to do this?

 

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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 16 Dec 19 1.40am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Define distribution of wealth.
Not in the literal way but how, what and which processes would be used to do this?

Ok...

At least since the mid-70s, assets as opposed to labour has determined your wealth. Thomas Picketty has written extensively on this: that across the world, governments have aided those who own property to simply accumulate wealth off that ownership to the point that they need not work on top of it.

They have helped do this through cutting top rates of tax, relaxing laws on property and selling off enormous parts of the state to create yet more assets for the wealthiest in society.

So those who have, have found it easier and easier to get richer. This has a negative result however. As their share of the pie has increased, those born without assets have seen theirs go down. Even if you work incredibly hard and try to do the right thing with your money, it has become harder for you to gain wealth as value is based in assets, which are getting more and more costly, and you don't have any. So the people who own property make money off you for, say, renting out a house or taking a loan, which you have to do, but these things which you are working for are making you poorer.

This is why we have seen such enormous levels of inequality blossom in that time. Why where I work in East London, there are now enough skyscrapers to rival Manhattan, yet I'm teaching kids underneath them who turn up without food or clean clothes.

What would Labour have done? Well they would've at least attempted to stem this tide. Raise things like corporation tax to levels similar to other G7 nations, use that money to invest in affordable social housing, and enhance legislation which stops individuals and companies from monopolizing areas of the economy. Would it have been enough? IMO they were fairly conservative commitments in the manifesto but of course anything like this is portrayed by the media as basically Communism so it didn't have the popular support it needed.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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matthau Flag South Croydon 16 Dec 19 6.15am Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

Well said serial

Nothing worse that working class tories

Misguided

Watch what happens to the nhs over a three year period now

They’ll not do it straight away, to blatant.

 

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Jacey Flag 16 Dec 19 9.48am Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Corbin steps down ready for his next leadership role where a vacancy currently exists and certainly requires his much acclaimed expertise.....

Manager of Arsenal!!

 

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topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 16 Dec 19 9.49am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

I'm sure that Corbyn means well but we was never going to get elected. He should have stuck to the back benches where he didn't have to compromise his ideals.

After years of austerity and coming up against Johnson, Labour should have walked the last election. He should have gone after the last election defeat but hang on as he did better than anyone expected.

The media made Ed Miliband to be a Marxist, they were always going to be against Corbyn who probably was one. No doubt Angela Rayner or whoever the Labour leader is, will also be labelled similarly in the media.

 


It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 16 Dec 19 9.59am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Corbin steps down ready for his next leadership role where a vacancy currently exists and certainly requires his much acclaimed expertise.....

Manager of Arsenal!!

I think you're onto something here.

- Islington north MP, local lad
- Anti-Semite, Spurs
- Unable to rally his supporters
- Tactically clueless

Seems a perfect fit

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 16 Dec 19 11.21am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller


Why where I work in East London, there are now enough skyscrapers to rival Manhattan, yet I'm teaching kids underneath them who turn up without food or clean clothes.

What would Labour have done? Well they would've at least attempted to stem this tide. .

impressive skyscrapers with poverty in their shadows.

Sounds like Johannesburg. Labour would have exacerbated the problem.

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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pw1965 16 Dec 19 11.51am Send a Private Message to pw1965 Add pw1965 as a friend

Well said! Definitely nothing worse than a working class Tory.

As an aside, why are so many football supporters right wing, often bordering on Fascism?

Originally posted by serial thriller

Ok...

At least since the mid-70s, assets as opposed to labour has determined your wealth. Thomas Picketty has written extensively on this: that across the world, governments have aided those who own property to simply accumulate wealth off that ownership to the point that they need not work on top of it.

They have helped do this through cutting top rates of tax, relaxing laws on property and selling off enormous parts of the state to create yet more assets for the wealthiest in society.

So those who have, have found it easier and easier to get richer. This has a negative result however. As their share of the pie has increased, those born without assets have seen theirs go down. Even if you work incredibly hard and try to do the right thing with your money, it has become harder for you to gain wealth as value is based in assets, which are getting more and more costly, and you don't have any. So the people who own property make money off you for, say, renting out a house or taking a loan, which you have to do, but these things which you are working for are making you poorer.

This is why we have seen such enormous levels of inequality blossom in that time. Why where I work in East London, there are now enough skyscrapers to rival Manhattan, yet I'm teaching kids underneath them who turn up without food or clean clothes.

What would Labour have done? Well they would've at least attempted to stem this tide. Raise things like corporation tax to levels similar to other G7 nations, use that money to invest in affordable social housing, and enhance legislation which stops individuals and companies from monopolizing areas of the economy. Would it have been enough? IMO they were fairly conservative commitments in the manifesto but of course anything like this is portrayed by the media as basically Communism so it didn't have the popular support it needed.

 

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dreamwaverider Flag London 16 Dec 19 2.45pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Socialism Marxism is soooo passé.
Corbyn went back in time to his youth and the public clearly didn’t go with him. Long live the future. Take us forwards BJ

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Dec 19 5.06pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by pw1965

Well said! Definitely nothing worse than a working class Tory.

As an aside, why are so many football supporters right wing, often bordering on Fascism?


I'm saluting and clicking my heels whilst my Prince-nez have nearly fallen off with rage. I'm off to take it all out on some lowly untermenschen.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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