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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 06 Dec 19 10.11am
So now we have seen 2 goals within a week where the linesman puts his flag up and play continues. As far as I am aware this is a PL thing, VAR has been frustrating in linesmen only putting the flag up in tight cases after a goal was scored, but surely that is the only faitr way to go. It has led to, sometimes lengthy, checks afterwards, but at least play did continue. Together with the ridiculous use of lines for offside on the screes and lack of use of pitch side monitors this seems to be a PL policy. Very strange. I was rather surprised by the lack of criticism after the Leicester goal v Everton, but Wilder is right: do players now have to adapt and ignore the linesmen until the whistle? Does not sound right to me. Linesman flags, referee follows up unless he is clear that a mistake was made. As an overall verdict I would simply love the VAR to be scrapped though strongly suspect it will not happen. The few cases where the right decisions have been made afterwards nowhere near make up for the disruption of the flow of the game and the agony it causes.
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So now we have seen 2 goals within a week where the linesman puts his flag up and play continues.
As far as I am aware this is a PL thing, VAR has been frustrating in linesmen only putting the flag up in tight cases after a goal was scored, but surely that is the only faitr way to go. It has led to, sometimes lengthy, checks afterwards, but at least play did continue. Together with the ridiculous use of lines for offside on the screes and lack of use of pitch side monitors this seems to be a PL policy. Very strange.
I was rather surprised by the lack of criticism after the Leicester goal v Everton, but Wilder is right: do players now have to adapt and ignore the linesmen until the whistle? Does not sound right to me. Linesman flags, referee follows up unless he is clear that a mistake was made.

As an overall verdict I would simply love the VAR to be scrapped though strongly suspect it will not happen. The few cases where the right decisions have been made afterwards nowhere near make up for the disruption of the flow of the game and the agony it causes.

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chris123 hove actually 06 Dec 19 10.16am
Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan So now we have seen 2 goals within a week where the linesman puts his flag up and play continues. As far as I am aware this is a PL thing, VAR has been frustrating in linesmen only putting the flag up in tight cases after a goal was scored, but surely that is the only faitr way to go. It has led to, sometimes lengthy, checks afterwards, but at least play did continue. Together with the ridiculous use of lines for offside on the screes and lack of use of pitch side monitors this seems to be a PL policy. Very strange. I was rather surprised by the lack of criticism after the Leicester goal v Everton, but Wilder is right: do players now have to adapt and ignore the linesmen until the whistle? Does not sound right to me. Linesman flags, referee follows up unless he is clear that a mistake was made. As an overall verdict I would simply love the VAR to be scrapped though strongly suspect it will not happen. The few cases where the right decisions have been made afterwards nowhere near make up for the disruption of the flow of the game and the agony it causes. It's why they don't want the linesman flagging in real time.
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Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

It's why they don't want the linesman flagging in real time.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 19 10.38am
Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan So now we have seen 2 goals within a week where the linesman puts his flag up and play continues. As far as I am aware this is a PL thing, VAR has been frustrating in linesmen only putting the flag up in tight cases after a goal was scored, but surely that is the only faitr way to go. It has led to, sometimes lengthy, checks afterwards, but at least play did continue. Together with the ridiculous use of lines for offside on the screes and lack of use of pitch side monitors this seems to be a PL policy. Very strange. I was rather surprised by the lack of criticism after the Leicester goal v Everton, but Wilder is right: do players now have to adapt and ignore the linesmen until the whistle? Does not sound right to me. Linesman flags, referee follows up unless he is clear that a mistake was made. As an overall verdict I would simply love the VAR to be scrapped though strongly suspect it will not happen. The few cases where the right decisions have been made afterwards nowhere near make up for the disruption of the flow of the game and the agony it causes. There is the old adage "Play to the whistle".I am sure managers have been drumming this into their players for years so it is not a question of having to "Adapt" to some new practices.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 19 10.38am

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

So now we have seen 2 goals within a week where the linesman puts his flag up and play continues.
As far as I am aware this is a PL thing, VAR has been frustrating in linesmen only putting the flag up in tight cases after a goal was scored, but surely that is the only faitr way to go. It has led to, sometimes lengthy, checks afterwards, but at least play did continue. Together with the ridiculous use of lines for offside on the screes and lack of use of pitch side monitors this seems to be a PL policy. Very strange.
I was rather surprised by the lack of criticism after the Leicester goal v Everton, but Wilder is right: do players now have to adapt and ignore the linesmen until the whistle? Does not sound right to me. Linesman flags, referee follows up unless he is clear that a mistake was made.

There is the old adage "Play to the whistle".I am sure managers have been drumming this into their players for years so it is not a question of having to "Adapt" to some new practices.

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MKGlazier Milton Keynes 06 Dec 19 10.40am
Whatever rule changes and technology is introduced, nobody, not least highly paid professionals should ignore the first thing you learn in football......Play to the whistle !!!! Only got themselves to blame
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Milton Keynes 06 Dec 19 10.40am

Whatever rule changes and technology is introduced, nobody, not least highly paid professionals should ignore the first thing you learn in football......Play to the whistle !!!! Only got themselves to blame

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 06 Dec 19 12.07pm
Think the "play to the whistle" phrase is not referring to offside though. Fouls, dubious handballs yes. Not if there is a linesman responsible for judging offside. You can clearly see it in players reaction, and whether they should now (learn to) ignore it is my question and personally I don't think so. The comparison with the pre VAR era goes wrong as there was no rectifying afterwards. And when have you seen referees overrule linesmen on offside? I can not recall a single case. So either the linesman keeps his flag down if he has reasonable doubt and play continues, or he flags and the referee follows up. quote=Willo;3492487] There is the old adage "Play to the whistle".I am sure managers have been drumming this into their players for years so it is not a question of having to "Adapt" to some new practices.
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Vlissingen, Netherlands 06 Dec 19 12.07pm

Think the "play to the whistle" phrase is not referring to offside though. Fouls, dubious handballs yes. Not if there is a linesman responsible for judging offside. You can clearly see it in players reaction, and whether they should now (learn to) ignore it is my question and personally I don't think so.

The comparison with the pre VAR era goes wrong as there was no rectifying afterwards. And when have you seen referees overrule linesmen on offside? I can not recall a single case.
So either the linesman keeps his flag down if he has reasonable doubt and play continues, or he flags and the referee follows up.

quote=Willo;3492487]

There is the old adage "Play to the whistle".I am sure managers have been drumming this into their players for years so it is not a question of having to "Adapt" to some new practices.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 19 12.20pm
Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan Think the "play to the whistle" phrase is not referring to offside though. Fouls, dubious handballs yes. Not if there is a linesman responsible for judging offside. You can clearly see it in players reaction, and whether they should now (learn to) ignore it is my question and personally I don't think so. The comparison with the pre VAR era goes wrong as there was no rectifying afterwards. And when have you seen referees overrule linesmen on offside? I can not recall a single case. So either the linesman keeps his flag down if he has reasonable doubt and play continues, or he flags and the referee follows up. quote=Willo;3492487] There is the old adage "Play to the whistle".I am sure managers have been drumming this into their players for years so it is not a question of having to "Adapt" to some new practices. I believe that in the light of VAR and recent incidents where the flag has been raised,players following the old adage of "Play to the whistle" is as relevant now as it has always been. There does seem to be some confusion about when the assistants are required to raise their flags.There was talk of the flags being kept down in certain instances and allowing VAR to adjudicate but then the assistants have to make a split-second judgement as to whether they need to adjudicate or not.Maybe VAR is making it more difficult for the assistants.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 19 12.20pm

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

quote=Willo;3492487]

There is the old adage "Play to the whistle".I am sure managers have been drumming this into their players for years so it is not a question of having to "Adapt" to some new practices.

I believe that in the light of VAR and recent incidents where the flag has been raised,players following the old adage of "Play to the whistle" is as relevant now as it has always been.

There does seem to be some confusion about when the assistants are required to raise their flags.There was talk of the flags being kept down in certain instances and allowing VAR to adjudicate but then the assistants have to make a split-second judgement as to whether they need to adjudicate or not.Maybe VAR is making it more difficult for the assistants.

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Superhorns3 Harpdenden 06 Dec 19 12.49pm
It's just been very consistent at being used inconsistently!!
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Harpdenden 06 Dec 19 12.49pm

It's just been very consistent at being used inconsistently!!

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steven_t92 Orpington 06 Dec 19 1.15pm
This is a joke that people are blaming VAR for everything now. Play to the whistle, at the very most it's the linesman that has made the mistake and VAR has rightly allowed a goal. Imagine the reaction if they didnt review it and Sheffield scored a late equaliser, would you say that's the right way to use VAR? Some people just miss the point of it, var on whole is a good change for the game. Unfortunately some are too stuck in their ways to accept it. Edited by steven_t92 (06 Dec 2019 1.15pm)
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Orpington 06 Dec 19 1.15pm

This is a joke that people are blaming VAR for everything now. Play to the whistle, at the very most it's the linesman that has made the mistake and VAR has rightly allowed a goal. Imagine the reaction if they didnt review it and Sheffield scored a late equaliser, would you say that's the right way to use VAR?

Some people just miss the point of it, var on whole is a good change for the game. Unfortunately some are too stuck in their ways to accept it.

Edited by steven_t92 (06 Dec 2019 1.15pm)

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PALACE FOR EVER London 06 Dec 19 9.25pm
A great time wasting ploy can be used as the attacker can keep on running with the ball obviously ignoring the flag & saying he couldn't hear the whistle because of the noise, perhaps choosing to run to the corner flag in the process. The offside law is very different to others as the vast majority of the time the linesman chooses if a law is being broken or not. The pyramid to beat all pyramids!! [Link] Find out what team is in which division, eg which division is Coppull United in?
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A great time wasting ploy can be used as the attacker can keep on running with the ball obviously ignoring the flag & saying he couldn't hear the whistle because of the noise, perhaps choosing to run to the corner flag in the process.

The offside law is very different to others as the vast majority of the time the linesman chooses if a law is being broken or not.

The pyramid to beat all pyramids!!

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Find out what team is in which division, eg which division is Coppull United in?

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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 02 Feb 20 7.13pm
It now seems that VAR reviewed the wrong handball incident in the Villa v Leicester Carabao Cup Semi-Final second leg. [Link] In all honesty that would be the only plausible explanation a penalty wasn’t awarded taking into account the current interpretation of the handball rules/laws.
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Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 02 Feb 20 7.13pm

It now seems that VAR reviewed the wrong handball incident in the Villa v Leicester Carabao Cup Semi-Final second leg.

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In all honesty that would be the only plausible explanation a penalty wasn’t awarded taking into account the current interpretation of the handball rules/laws.

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