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Pussay Patrol Flag 27 Sep 18 1.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Tyson was 5'10'' and 15 stone. Wasn't a problem. He had more problems against bigger fighters but that was not his undoing.
You can't just be big, you have to be big and good. Primo Carnera was big 6' 5'' but he got battered by Max Bear and Joe Louis who were over 3 inches shorter.

Certainly, an old fighter of 13/14 stone would struggle against a superheavyweight of today but if they were to fight in some parallel dimention,I'm sure that they would bulk up a bit first.

Not necessarily, David Haye beat Valuev with 7 stone difference, Bellew beat Haye being a stone lighter. You can be too heavy

 


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rikz Flag Croydon 27 Sep 18 2.12pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Like I said it's impossible to compare from different generations,it's down to styles not different generations. If you was tysons trainer you would pick foreman over fury without a doubt. Tyson in his prime looked amazing but his prime lasted nowhere near long enough to call him great. Still belive a peak Lewis would beat a peak Tyson. One of his greatest victories was against Holmes, he was old and retired that shows you the calibre of fighters Tyson fought. Holmes, technically great, one of the most underrated heavyweights of all time. Was just unlikable and dominated during a time he had no real competition and came straight after ali. So will never go down as an all time great.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 27 Sep 18 4.23pm

Originally posted by rikz

Like I said it's impossible to compare from different generations,it's down to styles not different generations. If you was tysons trainer you would pick foreman over fury without a doubt. Tyson in his prime looked amazing but his prime lasted nowhere near long enough to call him great. Still belive a peak Lewis would beat a peak Tyson. One of his greatest victories was against Holmes, he was old and retired that shows you the calibre of fighters Tyson fought. Holmes, technically great, one of the most underrated heavyweights of all time. Was just unlikable and dominated during a time he had no real competition and came straight after ali. So will never go down as an all time great.

Strongly disagree when you say that Holmes won't go down as an all time great. The guy was mustard and fought a long list of top fighters. It's not his fault that his prime was situated between the two greatest periods in heavyweight boxing.

Holmes was highly skilled and ruled the heavyweights for many years. A brilliant fighter and to my mind possibly a top five ever heavyweight.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Sep 18 7.55pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Not necessarily, David Haye beat Valuev with 7 stone difference, Bellew beat Haye being a stone lighter. You can be too heavy

Depends on the fighter, doesn't it.
Haye lost because his body was failing him. Valuev lost because he couldn't get down the beanstalk.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Sep 18 8.02pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Strongly disagree when you say that Holmes won't go down as an all time great. The guy was mustard and fought a long list of top fighters. It's not his fault that his prime was situated between the two greatest periods in heavyweight boxing.

Holmes was highly skilled and ruled the heavyweights for many years. A brilliant fighter and to my mind possibly a top five ever heavyweight.

Seconded. He might not have been as good as Ali at his best but had incredible recovery powers. Definitely one of the best ever but often outspoken when diplomacy might have been a better option. He was robbed in the fights with Spinks in my opinion.

 

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rikz Flag Croydon 29 Sep 18 9.23pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Strongly disagree when you say that Holmes won't go down as an all time great. The guy was mustard and fought a long list of top fighters. It's not his fault that his prime was situated between the two greatest periods in heavyweight boxing.

Holmes was highly skilled and ruled the heavyweights for many years. A brilliant fighter and to my mind possibly a top five ever heavyweight.

To some people's but will never get the credit he deserves, born in the wrong generation and dominated during a poor era. Technically arguably the best ever, apparently used to completely school ali when he was his sparring partner Tho ali was infamously terrible in the gym sparring. Speak to people about the greatest heavyweights you will get Dempsey, louis, Ali, Tyson and Lewis mentioned. Rarely will people ever mention Holmes alongside them.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Sep 18 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I think a prime Holmes is up there....that jab was like a power punch.

Great chin too.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think a prime Holmes is up there....that jab was like a power punch.

Great chin too.

Was a little bitter and didn't have Ali's looks or charm.
He was unfortunate to have to beat Ali when he was losing his health and then reign in that post Ali period when boxing was in the doldrums. He was recognised by those who know boxing but never loved as a champion. He has a lot more respect retrospectively.

 

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