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dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 16 Sep 18 12.25pm Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

I think the OP makes fair point(s). My take on it is:

1. As long as we defend badly against all the sides that can’t score, and well against all the sides that can then we will do OK.

You can also go through 99% of clean sheets and find examples of how it might have been different.

Wasn’t it Tomkins first game back? It is not surprising that there might have been a bit of an issue at the back.

2. It is interesting that most people are focusing on 1 and not the Meyer issue. I don’t know why he isn’t in the team now. Perhaps it is because the incumbents are doing much better because of the depth of the squad.

I have a similar question regarding Guitia. When will Guitia be given a change?

 

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Username Flag Horsham 16 Sep 18 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

Originally posted by dp

I think the OP makes fair point(s). My take on it is:

1. As long as we defend badly against all the sides that can’t score, and well against all the sides that can then we will do OK.

You can also go through 99% of clean sheets and find examples of how it might have been different.

Wasn’t it Tomkins first game back? It is not surprising that there might have been a bit of an issue at the back.

2. It is interesting that most people are focusing on 1 and not the Meyer issue. I don’t know why he isn’t in the team now. Perhaps it is because the incumbents are doing much better because of the depth of the squad.

I have a similar question regarding Guitia. When will Guitia be given a change?

Guita will get a chance when Wayne gives him one, but he's had a very good few months now across the end of last season and the start of this one.

Meyer has looked good but I can completely understand why, after the shambles of a midfield against Southampton, Roy's first priority was to get Kouyate in there and be a bit more solid and have more of a presence. Particularly against a team we KNOW can get very physical.

Can see Meyer coming in more over the next month or so, but even with the international break it would have been asking a lot to change the system and bring in an entirely new midfield for this game.

It's still a work in progress.

 


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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 16 Sep 18 2.21pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

Thought pva was awful yestetday, but thd other 3 played well, especially tompkins.
What I don't like is thd way we play so narrow. Seems to be s tactic of ours. There wide players had so much space and got some really good crosses in. Don't really understand why we play like that.

Interesting point. I mentioned this after the Scousers with Alexander Arnold popping in crosses at will even with PVA and Schlupp. The replies were it could of been tactical as you suggest. Fair point against them but if it occurred against Huddersfield then that is a problem. As you say I don't understand how we can't get tighter on the wings.

 


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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 16 Sep 18 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Username

Guita will get a chance when Wayne gives him one, but he's had a very good few months now across the end of last season and the start of this one.

Meyer has looked good but I can completely understand why, after the shambles of a midfield against Southampton, Roy's first priority was to get Kouyate in there and be a bit more solid and have more of a presence. Particularly against a team we KNOW can get very physical.

Can see Meyer coming in more over the next month or so, but even with the international break it would have been asking a lot to change the system and bring in an entirely new midfield for this game.

It's still a work in progress.

Think Roy doesn't wish to drop JMac or Luka from the midfield, leaving only one other, even as you say they were in the shambles against the Saints. When both Meyer and Kouyate came on we looked better. Meyer is definitely needed against the Toon next week from the off based on Torreira's impact yesterday. Expect Kouyate to make way if anybody.

 


“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
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dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 16 Sep 18 2.34pm Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

It’s nice to have options.

Hopefully we are already working on a striker for January. I am not sure what else we need.

 

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PatrickA Flag London 16 Sep 18 3.21pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I do think we have a vulnerability to high crosses and this was demonstrated yesterday against Huddersfield even though fortunately they didn’t take their chances.
The good thing is not many Premier teams put high crosses into the box.
With regard to Meyer, at the moment Luka, MacArthur and Kouyate seem be ahead of him for midfield roles.
Personally, and this may prove unpopular, I would play him instead of Townsend who increasingly seems to be playing in midfield anyway.
He works hard but poses no real attacking threat.
Meyer would hopefully assist us in controlling the midfield and enable us to create more opportunities.

 

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chateauferret Flag 17 Sep 18 9.35pm

Originally posted by sheffieldgabor

Luka was playing.

Poorly (for him).

 


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Loz83 Flag Crawley 17 Sep 18 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Loz83 Add Loz83 as a friend

Originally posted by JusticeToad

I think a large part of the problem is actually the midfield. Without Luka and Cabaye it's getting overrun and leaving our back 4 exposed.

So so true, our midfield has been bossed in every game to far, I would start Meyer next game 100%.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Sep 18 11.20pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Loz83

So so true, our midfield has been bossed in every game to far, I would start Meyer next game 100%.

I will be surprised if Meyer comes in for Kouyate for the Newcastle game.

 

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adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 18 Sep 18 11.29am Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend


Well at least we have hard and honest realism about the performance in Thuggersfield. But three poihts does mean the sun is shining and confidence will have improved. The Magpies do well at Selhurst but if Palace put Ward in directly against Shelvey and Meyer replaces Ayew with Wilf pulling right back to expose the opposition to runs by Van Man and AWB I can see some goals on the way. Mac will have to make way for Ward.

 

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