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spartakev2 Anerley 27 Aug 18 11.50am | |
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Blimey, we loose 2 games on the trot, one against a very good liverpool, and one that we should have been 2=0 up af half time, then we're beaten by a freak goal, and suddenly we need to change the formation.
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Booted Eagle Bristol 27 Aug 18 12.14pm | |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
Blimey, we loose 2 games on the trot, one against a very good liverpool, and one that we should have been 2=0 up af half time, then we're beaten by a freak goal, and suddenly we need to change the formation. Bang on, decent striker 1-0 in the 1st half and the Hornets would of had to start thinking. I'm really hoping that Tekkers and Roy isn't another Puncheon and Pards scenario.
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bifffabazz Highworth, Wiltshire 29 Aug 18 6.53am | |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
almost all our best performances last season came with Wilf and Andros up front but we seem to have forgotten this. we have enough midfield options to revert to this. ^^^
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Xchurch Eagle Christchurch 29 Aug 18 10.11am | |
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Originally posted by SamCPFC17
Back from the game - really didn't think we were too bad, just far too profligate in front of goal. Agree the change of formation allowed us to bring Meyer into the fold who took up a similar position how Punch used to. I think we actually wen 4-2-3-1, which for me is how we should start again on Saturday. GK Hennesey
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Mstrobez 29 Aug 18 10.34am | |
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I think what people miss in this constant desire for a change of formation, and for Wilf to be back wide, is that Roy’s 442 is an extremely versatile system and often changes throughout the course of a game. The 442 is only rigid in a defensive sense, and I personally think it’s spot on when we’re defending. The reason Wilf plays as a “forward”, and I use the word “forward” rather than “striker” as he has the freedom to move all accross the front line, is to free him of the shackles of defensive responsibility and allow him to just focus on attacking. This is 100% the right idea when it comes to Wilf, even if he should be drifting wide more often against certain opposition. He had the same issues centrally last year against Watford at home. How many times last season did we see Townsend start on the right and RLC on the left of the 4. But when we were in attacking scenarios, Townsend advanced into an attacking right winger, Wilf drifted left and RLC shifted more centrally. That was a fundamental premise of Roys system. So effectively in attacks we were playing 4-3-3 a lot of the time anyway. It’s also the reason I think Meyer should take RLC’s spot in the team and not Cabaye’s. Because in attacks we need him to act as the creative midfielder in the side, as opposed to the defensive engine Cabaye was converted to in his later years. I think people are getting too bogged down on formations and Wilfs “position”, when the reality is the team and Wilf have the freedom to rotate throughout the game anyway. The problem may be, that in certain games, Wilf isn’t drifting away from the centre often enough. But I for one don’t want to see the days return of Wilf having to track back 50 yards every time the opposition attacks. His days as a defensive winger are over, he’s too good for his game to to be restricted by rigidness and defensive responsibility. He’s our main man. Edited by Mstrobez (29 Aug 2018 10.37am)
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steven_t92 Orpington 29 Aug 18 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
I think what people miss in this constant desire for a change of formation, and for Wilf to be back wide, is that Roy’s 442 is an extremely versatile system and often changes throughout the course of a game. The 442 is only rigid in a defensive sense, and I personally think it’s spot on when we’re defending. The reason Wilf plays as a “forward”, and I use the word “forward” rather than “striker” as he has the freedom to move all accross the front line, is to free him of the shackles of defensive responsibility and allow him to just focus on attacking. This is 100% the right idea when it comes to Wilf, even if he should be drifting wide more often against certain opposition. He had the same issues centrally last year against Watford at home. How many times last season did we see Townsend start on the right and RLC on the left of the 4. But when we were in attacking scenarios, Townsend advanced into an attacking right winger, Wilf drifted left and RLC shifted more centrally. That was a fundamental premise of Roys system. So effectively in attacks we were playing 4-3-3 a lot of the time anyway. It’s also the reason I think Meyer should take RLC’s spot in the team and not Cabaye’s. Because in attacks we need him to act as the creative midfielder in the side, as opposed to the defensive engine Cabaye was converted to in his later years. I think people are getting too bogged down on formations and Wilfs “position”, when the reality is the team and Wilf have the freedom to rotate throughout the game anyway. The problem may be, that in certain games, Wilf isn’t drifting away from the centre often enough. But I for one don’t want to see the days return of Wilf having to track back 50 yards every time the opposition attacks. His days as a defensive winger are over, he’s too good for his game to to be restricted by rigidness and defensive responsibility. He’s our main man. Edited by Mstrobez (29 Aug 2018 10.37am) 433 or 451, however people choose to view it, gives us a midfielder to cover behind Wilf or Andros anyway. It's still our best formation but Roy won't change it permanently until he's confident with it.
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The_postman Forest Row 29 Aug 18 11.26am | |
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Agreed. Roy likes to deploy two blocks of 4 when defending with the front 2 applying a press. With the ball, Townsend pushes forward effectively making it a front 3. Schlupp stays narrow to keep contact with Luka and Jimmy Mac. The width on the left is provided by PVA bombing forward to provide crosses or link up with Wilf. I think that replacing Schlupp with Meyer will improve our transition from defending to counter-attacking as he has a better passing range and like RLC, he keeps the ball well.
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Dan1994 Wallington 29 Aug 18 11.29am | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
<snip> Bang on. Formations are very fluid during games, especially in attack. They are only rigid in defence, because that's where they need to be for clarity's sake.
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PatrickA London 29 Aug 18 1.28pm | |
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I agree that Meyer seems most likely to replace Schlupp in a 4-4-2 formation essentially performing in the position that RLC performed last season.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Aug 18 1.38pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
I agree that Meyer seems most likely to replace Schlupp in a 4-4-2 formation essentially performing in the position that RLC performed last season. There was also a lot of neat triangles in tight areas of the opposition third which I expect Meyer to feel comfortable in with his nicely weighted passes and control.
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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 29 Aug 18 6.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Chubskip
Our problem still rests with our inability to keep regular clean sheets. We remain weak down our right side without WBS and Tompkins. We need to reinforce the defence as we seem to lose defenders to injury to regularly. Ward and Kelly playing together weaken our defence as they are not good enough to start. So changing the system may not be sufficient if we defend as poorly as we did for their two goals Sunday. few teams in the PL keep what I'd call regular clean sheets. even man city conceded about 0.7 goals a game last year.
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