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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Aug 18 10.33am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Interesting article on the BBC which mirrors my personal experience. In short companies need to think these things through carefully.

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I worked for an American bank who were keen on these, I wasn't. I refused to go on a weekend outward bound course on Dartmoor in January. I told my boss if you think I am going to stand waste deep in icy water in the middle of winter on my own time think again.

The rest of the team went and it was a disaster. Some people were good at physical challenges (became bullies) but that has nothing to do with their work in the office. To make matters worse two of the married staff had an ill disguised affair and by the Monday the "team spirit" had fractured as the office took sides. It didn't help that most of us knew their cuckolded partners. My boss at the time a good guy never did that again.

I agree with the article that the way to foster team spirit is in small ways on a daily basis. Unlike my colleagues I refused to have my own office (shutting yourself away). I sat in the middle of my staff so they could talk to me at any time. I was criticised by HR because I didn't have formal weekly staff meetings. "We don't need them I told them, I share information and listen to them on a daily basis". HR asked my staff a few questions about work and shut up when my staff all showed they were better informed than those who worked for the so call "good managers".

Another weekend team exercise I missed was with HR at a posh hotel, welcome drinks on the Friday night. The following morning some people showed drunk, others never showed. Over that weekend it got worse people still showed up hung over and one person had a breakdown over her first marriage (from years before).

By the end of the weekend HR had all the info they need on who were the redundancy candidates. As one of my mates said later how did you know? Duh, HR had never shown any interest in off-site meetings before. Well the staff loaded the ammunition and handed HR the gun.

Anyway thoughts, funny stories?

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Aug 18 10.46am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

More More more !!!!!

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Aug 18 7.55pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Interesting article on the BBC which mirrors my personal experience. In short companies need to think these things through carefully.

[Link]

I worked for an American bank who were keen on these, I wasn't. I refused to go on a weekend outward bound course on Dartmoor in January. I told my boss if you think I am going to stand waste deep in icy water in the middle of winter on my own time think again.

The rest of the team went and it was a disaster. Some people were good at physical challenges (became bullies) but that has nothing to do with their work in the office. To make matters worse two of the married staff had an ill disguised affair and by the Monday the "team spirit" had fractured as the office took sides. It didn't help that most of us knew their cuckolded partners. My boss at the time a good guy never did that again.

I agree with the article that the way to foster team spirit is in small ways on a daily basis. Unlike my colleagues I refused to have my own office (shutting yourself away). I sat in the middle of my staff so they could talk to me at any time. I was criticised by HR because I didn't have formal weekly staff meetings. "We don't need them I told them, I share information and listen to them on a daily basis". HR asked my staff a few questions about work and shut up when my staff all showed they were better informed than those who worked for the so call "good managers".

Another weekend team exercise I missed was with HR at a posh hotel, welcome drinks on the Friday night. The following morning some people showed drunk, others never showed. Over that weekend it got worse people still showed up hung over and one person had a breakdown over her first marriage (from years before).

By the end of the weekend HR had all the info they need on who were the redundancy candidates. As one of my mates said later how did you know? Duh, HR had never shown any interest in off-site meetings before. Well the staff loaded the ammunition and handed HR the gun.

Anyway thoughts, funny stories?

Fact is certainly stranger than fiction brilliant.

 

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chateauferret Flag 23 Aug 18 11.08pm

First line management course for new EOs. Civil Service College, Cardington.

18 delegates. 17 new managers and one t***. T*** spent the whole week arguing, trolling, dusrupting everything and behaving like a t***.

Five yesrs later bumped into t*** in a pub in Balham. Told me he was sacked for inefficiency after getting a box 5.

Getting kicked out of the Civil Service takes quite some doing. In ten years in that job I only ever knew of one other person who managed it and he was possibly the stupidest person I've ever known (he would rock up at 11 am with excuses like firgot to get off the tube, didn't want to go out because it was raining, or mistook today for a Saturday).

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Aug 18 11.36am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

This story is not funny but on point.

At the American bank I worked they had a team building exercise for Managers from a department full of Harry Enfield "Loads of money", I should add we weren't all like that.

With so many alpha males it was win at all cost. They were broke up into teams and apparently one team member wasn't as enthusiastic as the rest. He was badly beaten up by the team for not trying hard enough.

If this had been staff they would have been sacked. As they were high ranking managers the whole thing was hushed up. However I heard the story from enough people naming names that I believe it. I am not surprised, some of my colleagues would have stepped over a dying body if there was a promotion on offer. The only surprise to me was that it didn't happen more often.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Aug 2018 11.36am)

 


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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 26 Aug 18 9.20pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

This story is not funny but on point.

At the American bank I worked they had a team building exercise for Managers from a department full of Harry Enfield "Loads of money", I should add we weren't all like that.

With so many alpha males it was win at all cost. They were broke up into teams and apparently one team member wasn't as enthusiastic as the rest. He was badly beaten up by the team for not trying hard enough.

If this had been staff they would have been sacked. As they were high ranking managers the whole thing was hushed up. However I heard the story from enough people naming names that I believe it. I am not surprised, some of my colleagues would have stepped over a dying body if there was a promotion on offer. The only surprise to me was that it didn't happen more often.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Aug 2018 11.36am)

yank banks are total scum to work for.
mrs kd worked for one with for many years.
culture was harsh, at desk by 7am home 9ish, the blokes were mainly lads booze culture and the women were even worse.
funny enough most the fellas were west ham(says it all)

 


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Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 27 Aug 18 6.45am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

8 engineers(of which I was one), working at a building site in Kidderminster for the week. We found a loophole in the hotel invoicing to the company we worked for, and ran up a £5,000 bar bill over 3 nights (we didn't drink cheap stuff)

The boss went mental, and decided to have a team-building evening at a restaurant close to site. After a few pre-meal beers, the boss says "I want to hear about any gripes, as we want a smooth-running team. I want to hear about any problems"

"apparently, you're a c v n t" says this female engineer from the Sheffield office to the boss.

Raised voices, recriminations and ultimately fist-cuffs, as the workers and boss are ejected from the restaurant

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Aug 18 1.43pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

8 engineers(of which I was one), working at a building site in Kidderminster for the week. We found a loophole in the hotel invoicing to the company we worked for, and ran up a £5,000 bar bill over 3 nights (we didn't drink cheap stuff)

The boss went mental, and decided to have a team-building evening at a restaurant close to site. After a few pre-meal beers, the boss says "I want to hear about any gripes, as we want a smooth-running team. I want to hear about any problems"

"apparently, you're a c v n t" says this female engineer from the Sheffield office to the boss.

Raised voices, recriminations and ultimately fist-cuffs, as the workers and boss are ejected from the restaurant

Lived in Kiddy for years. Believe me, no-one would care about a bit of fisticuffs. The only hotel I can think of is the Gainsborough, although there are others. Surprised you found a 'restaurant'.

 


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Park Road Flag 27 Aug 18 4.10pm

I think this qoute works..
In teamwork, silence isn’t golden, it’s deadly.
Mark Sanborn

 

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Pete53 Flag Hassocks 30 Aug 18 3.33pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

In the latter days of my working life I had to organise and run many such exercises.

They can be fruitful but also disastrous, and sometimes just pointless, and I am sure many thousands of pounds have gone down the drain with ill thought out,or entirely unnecessary, team building events that have achieved little or nothing.

The worst thing is not really knowing the purpose and/or objectives of the team event - is it an incentive , a reward, a bonding exercise, or intended to tackle dysfunction in a team? No team building should ever happen unless the purpose of it is clear and well-defined to all involved.

Team building is more likely to be beneficial and achieve something if the company itself has a strong well defined positive culture with sound HR policies (anti-discrimination, performance management etc). This provides a good framework in which to conduct team building as it provides guidance and reference points as to what is expected of both individual employees, managers and teams/departments.

I'm a strong believer that good practice should start at the very top of a company. If management is rotten that will filter right the way down. There is only so much you can achieve in team building (in fact very little) if everyone is totally pi**ed off with the company, if there is an air of distrust, or if things like bullying are rife.

 

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