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Eaglecoops CR3 17 Jul 18 8.15am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Germany did fine before mass immigration and didn’t need colonialism to win World Cups. Neither did Italy or Spain more recently. France need or benefit from African-French players because Rugby is the national sport and not football. But please don’t say European football or international teams are being propped up by African immigrants because that’s rubbish. Croatia were really good apart from the first half v England and ironically a team full of ‘slavs’ Hitler would’ve preferred. Your opinion is rubbish because Spain or Italy or Germany will win the World Cup again with an all white team. I don’t care but it’s true. Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Jul 2018 1.34am) Rather ironic don't you think that a country who prefer to play rugby rather than football can win a football world cup but are an also ran in their preferred sport.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 17 Jul 18 8.15am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Germany did fine before mass immigration and didn’t need colonialism to win World Cups. Neither did Italy or Spain more recently.

France need or benefit from African-French players because Rugby is the national sport and not football. But please don’t say European football or international teams are being propped up by African immigrants because that’s rubbish.

Croatia were really good apart from the first half v England and ironically a team full of ‘slavs’ Hitler would’ve preferred.

Your opinion is rubbish because Spain or Italy or Germany will win the World Cup again with an all white team. I don’t care but it’s true.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Jul 2018 1.34am)

Rather ironic don't you think that a country who prefer to play rugby rather than football can win a football world cup but are an also ran in their preferred sport.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jul 18 9.34am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Rather ironic don't you think that a country who prefer to play rugby rather than football can win a football world cup but are an also ran in their preferred sport. Because rugby in France has suffered similarly to our football Premier League with imported players ready to perform. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Jul 18 9.34am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Rather ironic don't you think that a country who prefer to play rugby rather than football can win a football world cup but are an also ran in their preferred sport.

Because rugby in France has suffered similarly to our football Premier League with imported players ready to perform.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jul 18 9.37am
Originally posted by kenbarr Well it's caught up to most of them. Italy and the Netherlands didn't qualify, Germany went out in the group stage and Spain in the round of 16. Better get a wider net to attract top class players for these countries. PS, one of the reason the USA didn't qualify was alienating youth development programs geared towards Central and South American immigrant players. A great prospect just slipped through our hands and is with Mexico. The failings of top teams has absolutely s0d all to do with their lack of black African players that France have. My sides are splitting from laughing. COYP
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Caterham 17 Jul 18 9.37am

Originally posted by kenbarr

Well it's caught up to most of them. Italy and the Netherlands didn't qualify, Germany went out in the group stage and Spain in the round of 16. Better get a wider net to attract top class players for these countries. PS, one of the reason the USA didn't qualify was alienating youth development programs geared towards Central and South American immigrant players. A great prospect just slipped through our hands and is with Mexico.

The failings of top teams has absolutely s0d all to do with their lack of black African players that France have. My sides are splitting from laughing.

COYP

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YT Oxford 17 Jul 18 10.27am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Rather ironic don't you think that a country who prefer to play rugby rather than football can win a football world cup but are an also ran in their preferred sport. I understand that they’ve slipped down the rankings in French Cricket too. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 17 Jul 18 10.27am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Rather ironic don't you think that a country who prefer to play rugby rather than football can win a football world cup but are an also ran in their preferred sport.

I understand that they’ve slipped down the rankings in French Cricket too.

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Beastie 17 Jul 18 11.35am
At a time when the gap between the top European / South American sides and the rest seems to be getting smaller, the African nations at the World cup did pretty poorly. Pretty silly to think that race has much to do with any of this.
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Beastie

17 Jul 18 11.35am

At a time when the gap between the top European / South American sides and the rest seems to be getting smaller, the African nations at the World cup did pretty poorly.

Pretty silly to think that race has much to do with any of this.

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the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 17 Jul 18 12.16pm
Originally posted by Beastie At a time when the gap between the top European / South American sides and the rest seems to be getting smaller, the African nations at the World cup did pretty poorly. Pretty silly to think that race has much to do with any of this. Really? Only one team outside of Europe/Latin America made it out of the group stage - japan. And they went out in the next game. The semis were an all-European affair. I would say European (and to a lesser degree Latin American) dominance continues. Germany haven't had an all-white team for some time, and won't again, though it's relatively few players. The point on all-white Italian/Spanish teams stands, there have only been one or 2 black players there. But I think with the way the world is, I don't think any of them are going to have all-white teams for ever.
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Originally posted by Beastie

At a time when the gap between the top European / South American sides and the rest seems to be getting smaller, the African nations at the World cup did pretty poorly.

Pretty silly to think that race has much to do with any of this.

Really? Only one team outside of Europe/Latin America made it out of the group stage - japan. And they went out in the next game. The semis were an all-European affair. I would say European (and to a lesser degree Latin American) dominance continues.

Germany haven't had an all-white team for some time, and won't again, though it's relatively few players. The point on all-white Italian/Spanish teams stands, there have only been one or 2 black players there. But I think with the way the world is, I don't think any of them are going to have all-white teams for ever.

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Beastie 17 Jul 18 12.31pm
Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff Really? Only one team outside of Europe/Latin America made it out of the group stage - japan. And they went out in the next game. The semis were an all-European affair. I would say European (and to a lesser degree Latin American) dominance continues. Germany haven't had an all-white team for some time, and won't again, though it's relatively few players. The point on all-white Italian/Spanish teams stands, there have only been one or 2 black players there. But I think with the way the world is, I don't think any of them are going to have all-white teams for ever. I said 'top' European/South American teams. The gap between the traditional football superpowers and the rest is getting smaller. Considering there'd never been a World Cup final without Germany, Spain, Italy, Brazil or Argentina, something's changing.
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Beastie

17 Jul 18 12.31pm

Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff

Really? Only one team outside of Europe/Latin America made it out of the group stage - japan. And they went out in the next game. The semis were an all-European affair. I would say European (and to a lesser degree Latin American) dominance continues.

I said 'top' European/South American teams. The gap between the traditional football superpowers and the rest is getting smaller.

Considering there'd never been a World Cup final without Germany, Spain, Italy, Brazil or Argentina, something's changing.

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kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 18 Jul 18 12.32am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The failings of top teams has absolutely s0d all to do with their lack of black African players that France have. My sides are splitting from laughing. The simple point I’m making is those who embrace diversity in their player pool, like France & lately England, have success. Those who don’t, like the USA Men, with their “country club” attitude, tend to fail. Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT
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Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 18 Jul 18 12.32am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The failings of top teams has absolutely s0d all to do with their lack of black African players that France have. My sides are splitting from laughing.

The simple point I’m making is those who embrace diversity in their player pool, like France & lately England, have success. Those who don’t, like the USA Men, with their “country club” attitude, tend to fail.

Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC
Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Jul 18 12.59am
Originally posted by kenbarr The simple point I’m making is those who embrace diversity in their player pool, like France & lately England, have success. Those who don’t, like the USA Men, with their “country club” attitude, tend to fail. The main failure of the USMNT is the fact that the best US prospects tend to want to play in leagues deemed competitive unlike the MLS which has no promotion or relegation & is mainly a foil for NFL owners to get rich. The whole MLS needs realigning from moving the season so that it's more in tune with the game world wide, the 'old' ah but the weather argument doesn't wash with me when they can still play it in Russia in the depths of winter. Also they need to implement Pro/Rel to create real competition something the current format fails to do Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Jul 18 12.59am

Originally posted by kenbarr

The main failure of the USMNT is the fact that the best US prospects tend to want to play in leagues deemed competitive unlike the MLS which has no promotion or relegation & is mainly a foil for NFL owners to get rich.
The whole MLS needs realigning from moving the season so that it's more in tune with the game world wide, the 'old' ah but the weather argument doesn't wash with me when they can still play it in Russia in the depths of winter. Also they need to implement Pro/Rel to create real competition something the current format fails to do

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kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 18 Jul 18 2.18am
Originally posted by Jimenez The main failure of the USMNT is the fact that the best US prospects tend to want to play in leagues deemed competitive unlike the MLS which has no promotion or relegation & is mainly a foil for NFL owners to get rich. The whole MLS needs realigning from moving the season so that it's more in tune with the game world wide, the 'old' ah but the weather argument doesn't wash with me when they can still play it in Russia in the depths of winter. Also they need to implement Pro/Rel to create real competition something the current format fails to do That's one part of the problem. Another is US Soccer's stubborn refusal to embrace inner city development programs which are geared towards both the African American and especially the Latino community. The case of Jonathan Gonzales is a case in point. [Link] I'd also recommend Roger Bennett's excellent podcast series "American Fiasco," which tells of the comedy of errors that led to our last place finish in the 1998 World Cup. We look for players in places like Germany,Holland & France when there are literally hundreds if not thousands of great local youth development organizations that US Soccer ignores because they don't like the "color" of them. This country, as people like Taylor Twellman, Kyle Martino and Eric Wynalda spotlighted, is wedded to the country club and pay to play to the exclusion of urban areas. We'd rather have a player from Europe with an American father than a player who grew up here but whose name is far from being Anglo. Yes, I am calling US Soccer passively racist in its player development. Even Bruce Arena says so in his book, "What's Wrong With US?" Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT
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kenbarr

Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 18 Jul 18 2.18am

Originally posted by Jimenez

That's one part of the problem. Another is US Soccer's stubborn refusal to embrace inner city development programs which are geared towards both the African American and especially the Latino community. The case of Jonathan Gonzales is a case in point.

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I'd also recommend Roger Bennett's excellent podcast series "American Fiasco," which tells of the comedy of errors that led to our last place finish in the 1998 World Cup. We look for players in places like Germany,Holland & France when there are literally hundreds if not thousands of great local youth development organizations that US Soccer ignores because they don't like the "color" of them. This country, as people like Taylor Twellman, Kyle Martino and Eric Wynalda spotlighted, is wedded to the country club and pay to play to the exclusion of urban areas. We'd rather have a player from Europe with an American father than a player who grew up here but whose name is far from being Anglo. Yes, I am calling US Soccer passively racist in its player development. Even Bruce Arena says so in his book, "What's Wrong With US?"

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Stuk Top half 24 Jul 18 2.37pm
Originally posted by kenbarr The simple point I’m making is those who embrace diversity in their player pool, like France & lately England, have success. Those who don’t, like the USA Men, with their “country club” attitude, tend to fail. Croatia and Iceland are having the most success they've ever had. Neither are diverse, at all. I think it's more to do with building a team from the top down, than how diverse the bunch is or isn't. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 24 Jul 18 2.37pm

Originally posted by kenbarr

Croatia and Iceland are having the most success they've ever had. Neither are diverse, at all.

I think it's more to do with building a team from the top down, than how diverse the bunch is or isn't.

Optimistic as ever

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