Whatever happened to the magic of the cup?

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Johng 09 Jan 18 2.17pm
Originally posted by europalace Yes, agree. However, I would go one step further. I would give the winning team the option of a Champions League place OR an uplift of 3 places in the PL. That would give struggling teams a better incentive to put out strong teams, knowing it could save them from going down if they win it. It would also put in a nice wild card leaving the relegation decision based on the FA cup final. Good for the those not in relegation - a chance of CL football and good for those in the relegation zone - a chance to guarantee safety. Edited by europalace (09 Jan 2018 2.06pm) That is absolutely ridiculous. That would be like having the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th placed teams in the lower leagues competing for a 3rd promotion spot. Crazy. Could never happen.
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09 Jan 18 2.17pm

Originally posted by europalace

Yes, agree.

However, I would go one step further. I would give the winning team the option of a Champions League place OR an uplift of 3 places in the PL. That would give struggling teams a better incentive to put out strong teams, knowing it could save them from going down if they win it. It would also put in a nice wild card leaving the relegation decision based on the FA cup final. Good for the those not in relegation - a chance of CL football and good for those in the relegation zone - a chance to guarantee safety.

Edited by europalace (09 Jan 2018 2.06pm)

That is absolutely ridiculous. That would be like having the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th placed teams in the lower leagues competing for a 3rd promotion spot. Crazy. Could never happen.

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ex hibitionist Hastings 09 Jan 18 2.38pm
Originally posted by OhthisbloodyPC I must say I'm disappointed that clubs don't take the FA Cup more seriously. Am I alone in this? Yes, resting players gives Palace a better chance of survival in The Premiership. And we all know how important the money is. Hang on. Are we fans or financial consultants? The FA Cup is our one hope of real glory. We've nearly won it twice. Nobody else seems to care. Is it just me? Am I howling at the moon? It's not just the clubs it's many of the fans themselves - 14,000 at the Amex last night is woeful - I remember brilliant cup games back in the day - 3-3 at home 3rd round to Swansea under Venables with well over 20,000, 1-0 away at Leeds got a full house with Big Mal, when Coventry won it they won their quarter final 3-1 at Wednesday in front of 46,000 - times change, the boat race, the Grand National and the FA Cup have dropped a level - for the other two events the decline may be terminal, but the cup will keep going but as a second class event.
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Originally posted by OhthisbloodyPC

I must say I'm disappointed that clubs don't take the FA Cup more seriously.

Am I alone in this?

Yes, resting players gives Palace a better chance of survival in The Premiership.

And we all know how important the money is.

Hang on. Are we fans or financial consultants?

The FA Cup is our one hope of real glory. We've nearly won it twice.

Nobody else seems to care.

Is it just me? Am I howling at the moon?

It's not just the clubs it's many of the fans themselves - 14,000 at the Amex last night is woeful - I remember brilliant cup games back in the day - 3-3 at home 3rd round to Swansea under Venables with well over 20,000, 1-0 away at Leeds got a full house with Big Mal, when Coventry won it they won their quarter final 3-1 at Wednesday in front of 46,000 - times change, the boat race, the Grand National and the FA Cup have dropped a level - for the other two events the decline may be terminal, but the cup will keep going but as a second class event.

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 09 Jan 18 2.38pm
The magic went piff paff poof and up in smoke it went. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 09 Jan 18 2.38pm

The magic went piff paff poof and up in smoke it went.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 09 Jan 18 7.36pm
The magic of the cup is not what it was and the cause is the money. Money talks. Prize money for winning the FA Cup is 1.8 mill, it's approximately the same as just one place in the Premier league (and a hundredfold more if relegated). A premier team has to play 6 rounds in total if they get to a final so it's 6 games to gain one spot monetarily (This is purely prize money and not including the cut of the TV money which ranged last season between 93 mill and 150 mill for each club). Lower league clubs hope to get Premier teams to get a good cut of the gate money but as we saw at the Amex the crowds are dwindling. Not only are we killing off the cup for ourselves but also for lower league clubs too. Both the FA Cup and the Premier League is run by the FA. They could actually rectify this disparity very simply by cutting the prize money in the premier league by 10% for each finishing position, a drop in the ocean compared to the TV money (For Palace last year it would be a loss of just 1.3 mill out of 109 Mill total). That would raise 45.5 million which could go to the winner of the FA Cup. Suddenly the FA cup becomes something big clubs would want to win s an extra 45 mill is substantial to most Premier clubs. Attendances go up as clubs play full strength sides become more likely to be played, smaller clubs benefit financially more when they are drawn against them and the selling of the TV rights becomes much more lucrative as worldwide audiences do want to see the worlds best players play, as they do in the Premier League. Edited by Mwncisee (09 Jan 2018 7.37pm)
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The magic of the cup is not what it was and the cause is the money. Money talks.

Prize money for winning the FA Cup is 1.8 mill, it's approximately the same as just one place in the Premier league (and a hundredfold more if relegated). A premier team has to play 6 rounds in total if they get to a final so it's 6 games to gain one spot monetarily (This is purely prize money and not including the cut of the TV money which ranged last season between 93 mill and 150 mill for each club).

Lower league clubs hope to get Premier teams to get a good cut of the gate money but as we saw at the Amex the crowds are dwindling. Not only are we killing off the cup for ourselves but also for lower league clubs too.

Both the FA Cup and the Premier League is run by the FA. They could actually rectify this disparity very simply by cutting the prize money in the premier league by 10% for each finishing position, a drop in the ocean compared to the TV money (For Palace last year it would be a loss of just 1.3 mill out of 109 Mill total). That would raise 45.5 million which could go to the winner of the FA Cup. Suddenly the FA cup becomes something big clubs would want to win s an extra 45 mill is substantial to most Premier clubs. Attendances go up as clubs play full strength sides become more likely to be played, smaller clubs benefit financially more when they are drawn against them and the selling of the TV rights becomes much more lucrative as worldwide audiences do want to see the worlds best players play, as they do in the Premier League.

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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 09 Jan 18 7.38pm
Originally posted by Mwncisee The magic of the cup is not what it was and the cause is the money. Money talks. Prize money for winning the FA Cup is 1.8 mill, it's approximately the same as just one place in the Premier league (and a hundredfold more if relegated). A premier team has to play 6 rounds in total if they get to a final so it's 6 games to gain one spot monetarily (This is purely prize money and not including the cut of the TV money which ranged last season between 93 mill and 150 mill for each club). Lower league clubs hope to get Premier teams to get a good cut of the gate money but as we saw at the Amex the crowds are dwindling. Not only are we killing off the cup for ourselves but also for lower league clubs too. Both the FA Cup and the Premier League is run by the FA. They could actually rectify this disparity very simply by cutting the prize money in the premier league by 10% for each finishing position, a drop in the ocean compared to the TV money (For Palace last year it would be a loss of just 1.3 mill out of 109 Mill total). That would raise 45.5 million which could go to the winner of the FA Cup. Suddenly the FA cup becomes something big clubs would want to win s an extra 45 mill is substantial to most Premier clubs. Attendances go up as clubs playing full strength sides become more likely, smaller clubs benefit financially more when they are drawn against them and the selling of the TV rights becomes much more lucrative as worldwide audiences do want to see the worlds best players play, as they do in the Premier League. Edited by Mwncisee (09 Jan 2018 7.37pm)
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Originally posted by Mwncisee

The magic of the cup is not what it was and the cause is the money. Money talks.

Both the FA Cup and the Premier League is run by the FA. They could actually rectify this disparity very simply by cutting the prize money in the premier league by 10% for each finishing position, a drop in the ocean compared to the TV money (For Palace last year it would be a loss of just 1.3 mill out of 109 Mill total). That would raise 45.5 million which could go to the winner of the FA Cup. Suddenly the FA cup becomes something big clubs would want to win s an extra 45 mill is substantial to most Premier clubs. Attendances go up as clubs playing full strength sides become more likely, smaller clubs benefit financially more when they are drawn against them and the selling of the TV rights becomes much more lucrative as worldwide audiences do want to see the worlds best players play, as they do in the Premier League.

Edited by Mwncisee (09 Jan 2018 7.37pm)

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YT Oxford 09 Jan 18 7.42pm
Originally posted by Johng That is absolutely ridiculous. That would be like having the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th placed teams in the lower leagues competing for a 3rd promotion spot. Crazy. Could never happen. Tee hee Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 09 Jan 18 7.42pm

Originally posted by Johng

That is absolutely ridiculous. That would be like having the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th placed teams in the lower leagues competing for a 3rd promotion spot. Crazy. Could never happen.

Tee hee

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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hastingseagle67 09 Jan 18 9.14pm
Originally posted by Mwncisee The magic of the cup is not what it was and the cause is the money. Money talks. Prize money for winning the FA Cup is 1.8 mill, it's approximately the same as just one place in the Premier league (and a hundredfold more if relegated). A premier team has to play 6 rounds in total if they get to a final so it's 6 games to gain one spot monetarily (This is purely prize money and not including the cut of the TV money which ranged last season between 93 mill and 150 mill for each club). Lower league clubs hope to get Premier teams to get a good cut of the gate money but as we saw at the Amex the crowds are dwindling. Not only are we killing off the cup for ourselves but also for lower league clubs too. Both the FA Cup and the Premier League is run by the FA. They could actually rectify this disparity very simply by cutting the prize money in the premier league by 10% for each finishing position, a drop in the ocean compared to the TV money (For Palace last year it would be a loss of just 1.3 mill out of 109 Mill total). That would raise 45.5 million which could go to the winner of the FA Cup. Suddenly the FA cup becomes something big clubs would want to win s an extra 45 mill is substantial to most Premier clubs. Attendances go up as clubs play full strength sides become more likely to be played, smaller clubs benefit financially more when they are drawn against them and the selling of the TV rights becomes much more lucrative as worldwide audiences do want to see the worlds best players play, as they do in the Premier League. Edited by Mwncisee (09 Jan 2018 7.37pm) Although I agree partly with this I feel that the magic of the cup for me came from the fact that as a boy it was the only live game that you saw on tv (apart from a handful of England games). has resisted writing a single post on the Ross McCormack thread !!!
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Originally posted by Mwncisee

The magic of the cup is not what it was and the cause is the money. Money talks.

Edited by Mwncisee (09 Jan 2018 7.37pm)

Although I agree partly with this I feel that the magic of the cup for me came from the fact that as a boy it was the only live game that you saw on tv (apart from a handful of England games).

has resisted writing a single post on the Ross McCormack thread !!!

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 09 Jan 18 11.41pm
More accounts in the game, no thanks! If sporting pride is not an issue anymore, and I feel our game yesterday is a prime example, then maybe the game is losing its roots and we have a problem. Now I know there is a big element of nostalgia there but still feel it. Money is the problem indeed, but more money is not the solution. Originally posted by Mwncisee The magic of the cup is not what it was and the cause is the money. Money talks. Prize money for winning the FA Cup is 1.8 mill, it's approximately the same as just one place in the Premier league (and a hundredfold more if relegated). A premier team has to play 6 rounds in total if they get to a final so it's 6 games to gain one spot monetarily (This is purely prize money and not including the cut of the TV money which ranged last season between 93 mill and 150 mill for each club). Lower league clubs hope to get Premier teams to get a good cut of the gate money but as we saw at the Amex the crowds are dwindling. Not only are we killing off the cup for ourselves but also for lower league clubs too. Both the FA Cup and the Premier League is run by the FA. They could actually rectify this disparity very simply by cutting the prize money in the premier league by 10% for each finishing position, a drop in the ocean compared to the TV money (For Palace last year it would be a loss of just 1.3 mill out of 109 Mill total). That would raise 45.5 million which could go to the winner of the FA Cup. Suddenly the FA cup becomes something big clubs would want to win s an extra 45 mill is substantial to most Premier clubs. Attendances go up as clubs play full strength sides become more likely to be played, smaller clubs benefit financially more when they are drawn against them and the selling of the TV rights becomes much more lucrative as worldwide audiences do want to see the worlds best players play, as they do in the Premier League. Edited by Mwncisee (09 Jan 2018 7.37pm) Edited by DutchEagleJohan (09 Jan 2018 11.50pm)
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More accounts in the game, no thanks!
If sporting pride is not an issue anymore, and I feel our game yesterday is a prime example, then maybe the game is losing its roots and we have a problem. Now I know there is a big element of nostalgia there but still feel it.
Money is the problem indeed, but more money is not the solution.

Originally posted by Mwncisee

The magic of the cup is not what it was and the cause is the money. Money talks.

Edited by Mwncisee (09 Jan 2018 7.37pm)

Edited by DutchEagleJohan (09 Jan 2018 11.50pm)

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