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HeathMan Purley 12 Dec 17 11.52am | |
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We have two loan players RLC & TF-M. The other recently signed player is Riedewald - who should be playing. Looking at the three we have two out of favour and one being used. With Sakho injured hopefully Riedewald and TF-M will get game time and impress - as Palace progress towards wins. The loan situation seems fairly simple. TF-M is known to be monitored by Man Utd management, and could be recalled (which he would accept if game time were promised. RLC, on return to Chelsea has little prospect of game time. Either TF-M being recalled, or RLC being converted from loan to contracted Palace player would release the needed loan position that would offer Roy an opportunity to view another player. I do wonder what Roy is seeing (that the public are not allowed to see) when the under 23s and younger developing players give match performances.
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chateauferret 12 Dec 17 5.29pm | |
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Originally posted by HeathMan
We have two loan players RLC & TF-M. The other recently signed player is Riedewald - who should be playing. Looking at the three we have two out of favour and one being used. With Sakho injured hopefully Riedewald and TF-M will get game time and impress - as Palace progress towards wins. The loan situation seems fairly simple. TF-M is known to be monitored by Man Utd management, and could be recalled (which he would accept if game time were promised. RLC, on return to Chelsea has little prospect of game time. Either TF-M being recalled, or RLC being converted from loan to contracted Palace player would release the needed loan position that would offer Roy an opportunity to view another player. I do wonder what Roy is seeing (that the public are not allowed to see) when the under 23s and younger developing players give match performances. Well when they were given the chance st Bristol City they were pretty well all toilet.
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General Waste Reading 12 Dec 17 6.04pm | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
matteo - I'm genuinely curious, are these long-winded posts born out of a background of scouting, or are you, like the rest of us, making guesses based on the football you watch? Many of the players you mentioned I have little knowledge of, while others I would be very surprised to see either a) come to the club, or b) be anymore successful than Adebayor or Ameobi. Having said that, nothing ever surprises me with Palace these days. Dougie will have to show his worth this window and we'll also see if any of Roy's old contacts help us to unearth someone in a similar way that we dug up Luka. As to Giroud I agree that I don't think he would be suited to a relegation scrap and I also seriously doubt he would swap a top 6 club and European football for what we have to offer.
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Sportyteacher London 12 Dec 17 8.09pm | |
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Go DIRECTLY to Giroud with plans for club; fans etc and all in the name of earnest football with guaranteed first team action. He might learn much from it all. Parish to spread to first and foremost?
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mattteo 12 Dec 17 8.35pm | |
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Originally posted by General Waste
All I know is from years of experience of watching football When you watch things like this:
I've always known what they've done with their careers in every year after those World Cups, because I kept following them. Who doesn't know who Obafemi Martins is? Or Emenike? Or Enner Valencia? Nils Petersen scored 5 or 6 goals at the Olympics for Germany, he was their star player there. Ok, Lois Diony is relatively unkown because he can't get into the French squad. But those other French players should be known. Haller is a goalscorers for France U21 and a lot of clubs in Europe wanted him these last few years. Alassane Plea is well known in France because of Nice in the last few years. As for the others...they're players who have done well in top 5 leagues, they'd do at least just as good or even better than Benteke Edited by mattteo (13 Dec 2017 11.53am) Edited by mattteo (13 Dec 2017 11.54am)
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dynamicdick Dormansland 12 Dec 17 10.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Go DIRECTLY to Giroud with plans for club; fans etc and all in the name of earnest football with guaranteed first team action. He might learn much from it all. Parish to spread to first and foremost?
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chateauferret 19 Dec 17 9.25pm | |
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Just done his hamstring in the EFL cup tie against Wet Spam. Out for yonks.
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mattteo 24 Dec 17 9.39am | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
So, list of possible Bentekre replacements, according to price: GIROUD (Arsenal)- around 40 million STURRIDGE (Liverpool)- exactly the same as above (left footed player like Giroud, prominent goalscorer for attacking team, dubbet a bit lazy by fans), probably would cost a similar fee. Liverpool will probably not let him go in the winter though BATSHUAYI (Chelsea)- frustrated with the lack of playing time there. Could only come on loan as he's done very well and would only be sold for 70 million or more GAMEIRO (Atl Madrid)- around 35 million. If Giroud is linked, why not Gameiro?? A much better striker for a team like Palace, which plays a lot of counter attacking football. They paid 30 million for him, will sell for a little more, cause they're Atletico Madrid and the players' value goes up. Everton is very much linked with him. I'd pay this money for him if I had them. He'll probably go to a well known team though ODION IGHALO (CC Yatai)- around 25 million JACKSON MARTINEZ (GZ Evergrande)- around 25 million. He was bought for much more by the Chinese, but hasn't played at all this season. They want to sell, cause his contract runs until December 2019 andd he has a big salary. We remember this beast from his Porto days SLIMANI (Leicester)- around 20 million PLEA (Nice)- around 20 million. French strikers coming to the PL is a custom. He's one of the next ones. It only depends to which club HALLER (Eintracht)- around 15 million. Another French striker, doing well in the Bundesliga after comnig from the Erredivisie FLORIN ANDONE (Deportivo)- around 15 million, he had a falling out with the club cause they preferred Lucas Perez instead of him and it was unjust. He'll leave in January. They wanted 25 million, but now will probably sell for only 15. Really determined player. You wouldn;t say t by looking at him, but he's a beast KHOUMA BABACAR (Fiorentina)- around 10 million. A fee was reportedly accepted from West Ham in the summer (13 million), but the transfer didn't go though (probbaly because he wants to play, not be second choice to Chicharito). Now, after not starting as single match this season, West Ham is not offering that much anymore. BENIK AFOBE (Bournemouth)- around 10 million. They got him for that money and, although he's 4th choice now behind Josh King, Defoe and Wilson, they won't sell to a relegation rival for less MIRALLAS (Everton)- around 10 million. He's only a winger in a 4-3-3. He's basically a striker, he was a striker in his first year at Everton, he was a striker at Olympiakos. He's only played winher cause Lukaku was the main man. He has some speed and skills, could be useful. BROWN IDEYE (Tianjin)- around 10 million. Formerly of West Brom in the PL. Has done ok, but he was very appreciated at Olympiakos, Dynamo Kiev and in Ligue 1. JOSEF MARTINEZ (Atlanta, MLS)- around 10 million, Unexplicably how Torino sold him in the summer for just 5 million. The Venezuelan has bagged 19 goals in 20 matches in the MLS. He was doing pretty well in the PL too. A striker a bit on the shorter side (1,72), so more like a second striker NILS PETERSEN (Freiburg)- around 7 million. This is the best striker in the Bundesliga, outside of top teams, in terms to goals per minutes played ratio. He's just awesome. And he plays for Freiburg, a team that wouldn;t want MUCH money. But now, with the other striker's injury (Niederlechner), they'd want at least 6-7 million. Still, he's very much worth it. BAFETIMBI GOMIS (Galatasaray)- around 7 million. I don;t know if Galatasaray would want to sell though, but they'd be tempted cause they only bought him for 2 million from Marseille. He has been on fire in the Turkish league this season and he has a good history in France ENNER VALENCIA (Tigres)- around 7 million. Was very used as a starter in the PL, but in the playing time he got he offered a lot of assists. And even some goals. He's done really well in Mexico. He's one of the best South American strikers at international level. ZE LUIS (Spartak Moscow)- around 7 million. A very strong striker, does well when sent in. Wonderful for Braga and Spartak, even in the Champions League. He's behind Luiz Adriano in the pecking order lately, they'd probably sell a substitute for 7 million ADRIAN RAMOS (CQ Dangdai)- around 7 million. He's currently with Granada, he just went there to play in La Liga last year. He scored a lot of goals, but had no help as Granada was bottom last. They went down and in January he'll go back to the parent Chinese club. He was very, very effective in germany, with Hertha and Borussia Dortmund. PAPPIS CISSE (SD Luneng)- around 7 million. Him and Demba Ba were in that Newcastle team a few years back, when they finished 5th. I'd have put Demba Ba on the list too, but he's out with a long term injury LOIS DIONY (St Ettiene)- around 7 million. Was brought as a big hope, but is similar to Benteke this season. No goals and only 1 assist in 700 minutes. RICHMOND BOAKYE (Red Star Belgrade)- around 5 million. This one's a bargain as a Serbian club would be happy with a small fee. He has Serie A and La Liga experience, but is not old at 24. He'd be playingwell from the 1st minue, cause he's just on fire this season. Don't know for the long term, but for short term he's cheap and great DIAFRA SAKHO (West Ham)- around 5 million. Been linked before. He's a decent forward, but not high class. I think there were better forwards than him in Ligue 2, but he's the only one who was taken to the PL DANNY INGS (Liverpool)- around 5 million. He was a promising young player, but injuries kept him away a really long time. He'd be a really big question mark and not reallly what Palace needs after Wickham and Remy ULLOA (Leicester)- around 5 million. With only 400 minutes played in the last 2 years in the PL, would you buy him? He used to come in and score in their title winning season, but not playing causes you to lose form OBAFEMI MARTINS (SH Shenua)- around 2-3 million. Kind of old, but does the dead. They even wanted to get rid of him this year, but he was just that goos that he got himself back into the team. They got him from the MLS, where he was the best player alongside Giovinco years in a row. EMENIKE (Olympiakos)- around 2-3 million. He's a striker who doesn;t score much, but assists A LOT. Hasn't had much gametime for West Ham in the PL, but he has a lot of international and Champions League experience. He scored 3 times in the Champions League against Monaco last year. WARIS MAJEED (Lorient)- around 2-3 million. We've been linked in the summer. They dropped in the second French division and he wants out. He's hardly played this season, so he'd only be an investment for the future IF he can be revived. He used to amaze the world at 20 when in Sweden ASAMOAH GYAN (Kayserispor)- around 1 million. The manager doesn't want to play him, even though he has hardly played and still scored 3 times. The team is doing really well in Turkey, just behind the big 4 (Besiktas, Galatasaray, Fenerbahce and Basaksehir). He was a beast when playing for Sunderland, but chose to play for incredible wages in the Middle East. He's the best African striker at international level CHEICK DIABATE (Osmanlispor)- around 1 million. He's having a dispute with his Turkish club. They got him for free and just want to find another club which takes his wages (which are not even PL level). He used to do really well in France, but would need time to find his form again after not having played at all this season RICKIE LAMBERT or CARLTON COLE- free. It says it all
Just wanted to give an update on those lesser known players I talked about above. Nils Petersen has scored 6 times in the last 5 Bundesliga fixtures!! Florin Andone and Khouma Babacar have started scoring again for Deportivo and Fiorentina. Rennes have bid 6 million for Richmond Boakye, with Newcastle and West Brom also watching. Slimani is wanted by 4-5 clubs (former club Sporting, formaer Sporting manager Marco Silva at Watford, Newcastle and West Brom ) Brighton have bid for Ze Luis from Spartak (watch out for this guy!) Mirallas seems to be going back to Olympiakos. Edited by mattteo (24 Dec 2017 9.40am)
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Lakeview Lincoln 24 Dec 17 10.06am | |
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A very detailed post; thanks for all the effort you put into it. As for the rumours, it's always hard to know if there's any truth in them. What are the chances of us selling Riedewald (probably to a Dutch club) to create space and funds? I imagine he was very much a De Boer signing. I do sometimes feel he is worth another try, but Roy & his team know best.
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mattteo 06 Jan 18 6.23pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
So, list of possible Bentekre replacements, according to price: GIROUD (Arsenal)- around 40 million STURRIDGE (Liverpool)- exactly the same as above (left footed player like Giroud, prominent goalscorer for attacking team, dubbet a bit lazy by fans), probably would cost a similar fee. Liverpool will probably not let him go in the winter though BATSHUAYI (Chelsea)- frustrated with the lack of playing time there. Could only come on loan as he's done very well and would only be sold for 70 million or more GAMEIRO (Atl Madrid)- around 35 million. If Giroud is linked, why not Gameiro?? A much better striker for a team like Palace, which plays a lot of counter attacking football. They paid 30 million for him, will sell for a little more, cause they're Atletico Madrid and the players' value goes up. Everton is very much linked with him. I'd pay this money for him if I had them. He'll probably go to a well known team though ODION IGHALO (CC Yatai)- around 25 million JACKSON MARTINEZ (GZ Evergrande)- around 25 million. He was bought for much more by the Chinese, but hasn't played at all this season. They want to sell, cause his contract runs until December 2019 andd he has a big salary. We remember this beast from his Porto days SLIMANI (Leicester)- around 20 million PLEA (Nice)- around 20 million. French strikers coming to the PL is a custom. He's one of the next ones. It only depends to which club HALLER (Eintracht)- around 15 million. Another French striker, doing well in the Bundesliga after comnig from the Erredivisie FLORIN ANDONE (Deportivo)- around 15 million, he had a falling out with the club cause they preferred Lucas Perez instead of him and it was unjust. He'll leave in January. They wanted 25 million, but now will probably sell for only 15. Really determined player. You wouldn;t say t by looking at him, but he's a beast KHOUMA BABACAR (Fiorentina)- around 10 million. A fee was reportedly accepted from West Ham in the summer (13 million), but the transfer didn't go though (probbaly because he wants to play, not be second choice to Chicharito). Now, after not starting as single match this season, West Ham is not offering that much anymore. BENIK AFOBE (Bournemouth)- around 10 million. They got him for that money and, although he's 4th choice now behind Josh King, Defoe and Wilson, they won't sell to a relegation rival for less MIRALLAS (Everton)- around 10 million. He's only a winger in a 4-3-3. He's basically a striker, he was a striker in his first year at Everton, he was a striker at Olympiakos. He's only played winher cause Lukaku was the main man. He has some speed and skills, could be useful. BROWN IDEYE (Tianjin)- around 10 million. Formerly of West Brom in the PL. Has done ok, but he was very appreciated at Olympiakos, Dynamo Kiev and in Ligue 1. JOSEF MARTINEZ (Atlanta, MLS)- around 10 million, Unexplicably how Torino sold him in the summer for just 5 million. The Venezuelan has bagged 19 goals in 20 matches in the MLS. He was doing pretty well in the PL too. A striker a bit on the shorter side (1,72), so more like a second striker NILS PETERSEN (Freiburg)- around 7 million. This is the best striker in the Bundesliga, outside of top teams, in terms to goals per minutes played ratio. He's just awesome. And he plays for Freiburg, a team that wouldn;t want MUCH money. But now, with the other striker's injury (Niederlechner), they'd want at least 6-7 million. Still, he's very much worth it. BAFETIMBI GOMIS (Galatasaray)- around 7 million. I don;t know if Galatasaray would want to sell though, but they'd be tempted cause they only bought him for 2 million from Marseille. He has been on fire in the Turkish league this season and he has a good history in France ENNER VALENCIA (Tigres)- around 7 million. Was very used as a starter in the PL, but in the playing time he got he offered a lot of assists. And even some goals. He's done really well in Mexico. He's one of the best South American strikers at international level. ZE LUIS (Spartak Moscow)- around 7 million. A very strong striker, does well when sent in. Wonderful for Braga and Spartak, even in the Champions League. He's behind Luiz Adriano in the pecking order lately, they'd probably sell a substitute for 7 million ADRIAN RAMOS (CQ Dangdai)- around 7 million. He's currently with Granada, he just went there to play in La Liga last year. He scored a lot of goals, but had no help as Granada was bottom last. They went down and in January he'll go back to the parent Chinese club. He was very, very effective in germany, with Hertha and Borussia Dortmund. PAPPIS CISSE (SD Luneng)- around 7 million. Him and Demba Ba were in that Newcastle team a few years back, when they finished 5th. I'd have put Demba Ba on the list too, but he's out with a long term injury LOIS DIONY (St Ettiene)- around 7 million. Was brought as a big hope, but is similar to Benteke this season. No goals and only 1 assist in 700 minutes. RICHMOND BOAKYE (Red Star Belgrade)- around 5 million. This one's a bargain as a Serbian club would be happy with a small fee. He has Serie A and La Liga experience, but is not old at 24. He'd be playingwell from the 1st minue, cause he's just on fire this season. Don't know for the long term, but for short term he's cheap and great DIAFRA SAKHO (West Ham)- around 5 million. Been linked before. He's a decent forward, but not high class. I think there were better forwards than him in Ligue 2, but he's the only one who was taken to the PL DANNY INGS (Liverpool)- around 5 million. He was a promising young player, but injuries kept him away a really long time. He'd be a really big question mark and not reallly what Palace needs after Wickham and Remy ULLOA (Leicester)- around 5 million. With only 400 minutes played in the last 2 years in the PL, would you buy him? He used to come in and score in their title winning season, but not playing causes you to lose form OBAFEMI MARTINS (SH Shenua)- around 2-3 million. Kind of old, but does the dead. They even wanted to get rid of him this year, but he was just that goos that he got himself back into the team. They got him from the MLS, where he was the best player alongside Giovinco years in a row. EMENIKE (Olympiakos)- around 2-3 million. He's a striker who doesn;t score much, but assists A LOT. Hasn't had much gametime for West Ham in the PL, but he has a lot of international and Champions League experience. He scored 3 times in the Champions League against Monaco last year. WARIS MAJEED (Lorient)- around 2-3 million. We've been linked in the summer. They dropped in the second French division and he wants out. He's hardly played this season, so he'd only be an investment for the future IF he can be revived. He used to amaze the world at 20 when in Sweden ASAMOAH GYAN (Kayserispor)- around 1 million. The manager doesn't want to play him, even though he has hardly played and still scored 3 times. The team is doing really well in Turkey, just behind the big 4 (Besiktas, Galatasaray, Fenerbahce and Basaksehir). He was a beast when playing for Sunderland, but chose to play for incredible wages in the Middle East. He's the best African striker at international level CHEICK DIABATE (Osmanlispor)- around 1 million. He's having a dispute with his Turkish club. They got him for free and just want to find another club which takes his wages (which are not even PL level). He used to do really well in France, but would need time to find his form again after not having played at all this season RICKIE LAMBERT or CARLTON COLE- free. It says it all
Update: Richmond Boakye's potential sell value has gone up after it was revealed Antonio Conte wants him at Chelsea if Andy Carroll doesn't go. Besiktas and Rennes are also close. Josef Martinez is doing amazingly in the MLS. Atlanta have turned down an eight-figure offer. Enner Valencia is doing amazingly in Mexico after only being sent on for 5-10 minutes while at West Ham and Everton. Adrian Ramos is staying at Granada, aiming to bounce right back to La Liga. Khouma Babacar still doesn't start for Fiorentina. The club will listen to offers but the player and his manager would like to stay until the end of his contract (summer 2019), so they can sign for free next winter. Brown Ideye reveals he won't be staying in China and his manager is working on bringing him back to Europe. Last summer only last minute paperwork prevented him from joining Alaves. I expect that interest to manifest again. Obafemi Martins is rumoured to go back to the MLS (but unlikely), there's a lot of talk in his country about he's needed at the World Cup finals in the summer. Waris Majeed is wanted by St Etienne and Caen in France. He was in the stands at the Arsenal v Newcastle game, so that might mean something. Previously linked with a lot of PL teams. Cheick Diabate has an offer from the Serie A, from lowly Benevento. Ze Luis to Brighton is not done yet, but they still want him (beast forward) Guido Carrillo from Monaco is wanted by Southampton. That would be it for Gabbiadini, who will be third or fourth choice, behind Charlie Austin, Carrillo and maybe even Long. When I was saying that Gabbiadini won't cope with the English style of playing in the long term, everyone was like „No way, but he scored 4 goals in his first 4 matches!” Sandro Ramirez from Everton is wanted by Sevilla in Spain. Of course, former club Malaga are also hoping to get him back. Everton may also let go of Niasse if another striker comes in and there's talk of Andre Silva or Kalinic from Milan. Deportivo will change their system and play with 2 strikers just to keep Florin Andone happy and not have him leave.
Villareal have made contact for Nice striker Alassane Plea after selling Bakambu in China. All of the above would be better than Benteke (maybe with the exceptions of Waris Majeed and Cheick Diabate). Nils Petersen is still cheap as hell
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Booted Eagle Bristol 06 Jan 18 6.39pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
Update: Richmond Boakye's potential sell value has gone up after it was revealed Antonio Conte wants him at Chelsea if Andy Carroll doesn't go. Besiktas and Rennes are also close. Josef Martinez is doing amazingly in the MLS. Atlanta have turned down an eight-figure offer. Enner Valencia is doing amazingly in Mexico after only being sent on for 5-10 minutes while at West Ham and Everton. Adrian Ramos is staying at Granada, aiming to bounce right back to La Liga. Khouma Babacar still doesn't start for Fiorentina. The club will listen to offers but the player and his manager would like to stay until the end of his contract (summer 2019), so they can sign for free next winter. Brown Ideye reveals he won't be staying in China and his manager is working on bringing him back to Europe. Last summer only last minute paperwork prevented him from joining Alaves. I expect that interest to manifest again. Obafemi Martins is rumoured to go back to the MLS (but unlikely), there's a lot of talk in his country about he's needed at the World Cup finals in the summer. Waris Majeed is wanted by St Etienne and Caen in France. He was in the stands at the Arsenal v Newcastle game, so that might mean something. Previously linked with a lot of PL teams. Cheick Diabate has an offer from the Serie A, from lowly Benevento. Ze Luis to Brighton is not done yet, but they still want him (beast forward) Guido Carrillo from Monaco is wanted by Southampton. That would be it for Gabbiadini, who will be third or fourth choice, behind Charlie Austin, Carrillo and maybe even Long. When I was saying that Gabbiadini won't cope with the English style of playing in the long term, everyone was like „No way, but he scored 4 goals in his first 4 matches!” Sandro Ramirez from Everton is wanted by Sevilla in Spain. Of course, former club Malaga are also hoping to get him back. Everton may also let go of Niasse if another striker comes in and there's talk of Andre Silva or Kalinic from Milan. Deportivo will change their system and play with 2 strikers just to keep Florin Andone happy and not have him leave.
Villareal have made contact for Nice striker Alassane Plea after selling Bakambu in China. All of the above would be better than Benteke (maybe with the exceptions of Waris Majeed and Cheick Diabate). Nils Petersen is still cheap as hell Thanks for the detailed update. Carroll to Chelski ? Expect a few Spammers fans might drive him there, even after the 2 recent goals. Boakye transfer looks increasingly like a bun fight and judging by the current fees we ain't going to get any bargains.
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mattteo 08 Jan 18 2.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Lakeview
A very detailed post; thanks for all the effort you put into it. As for the rumours, it's always hard to know if there's any truth in them. What are the chances of us selling Riedewald (probably to a Dutch club) to create space and funds? I imagine he was very much a De Boer signing. I do sometimes feel he is worth another try, but Roy & his team know best. Benteke still has a high sale value. Selling him would free up a lot of funds. He has the highest disproportionate sell value compared to what he offers on the pitch.
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