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Kodg LDN 30 Nov 17 12.38pm
Should anyone want to share their experiences of Tuesday night, the Football Supporters Federation would like to hear from you as they are complying a report on the policing and stewarding of the game. [Link] Personally, I think it's important. If we don't speak out the police will own the narrative and the fans will be to blame for their incompetence. There's already lies spreading around this. Amanda Jacks is the contact. Her email is amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk Edited by Kodg (30 Nov 2017 12.39pm)
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LDN 30 Nov 17 12.38pm

Should anyone want to share their experiences of Tuesday night, the Football Supporters Federation would like to hear from you as they are complying a report on the policing and stewarding of the game.

[Link]

Personally, I think it's important. If we don't speak out the police will own the narrative and the fans will be to blame for their incompetence.

There's already lies spreading around this.

Amanda Jacks is the contact. Her email is

amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk

Edited by Kodg (30 Nov 2017 12.39pm)

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Sewer Rat bromley 30 Nov 17 3.47pm
Treated like animals every time we go down there and nothing changes.In fact it gets worse. FSH have been told so many times yet do naff all. HF dont help the rest of us. Gives the police an excuse.
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bromley 30 Nov 17 3.47pm

Treated like animals every time we go down there and nothing changes.In fact it gets worse. FSH have been told so many times yet do naff all. HF dont help the rest of us. Gives the police an excuse.

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MikeCrete Crete 01 Dec 17 11.37am
I have emailed her, for what good it will do I don't know; but have to try.
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Crete 01 Dec 17 11.37am

I have emailed her, for what good it will do I don't know; but have to try.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 01 Dec 17 4.16pm
Originally posted by Kodg Should anyone want to share their experiences of Tuesday night, the Football Supporters Federation would like to hear from you as they are complying a report on the policing and stewarding of the game. [Link] Personally, I think it's important. If we don't speak out the police will own the narrative and the fans will be to blame for their incompetence. There's already lies spreading around this. Amanda Jacks is the contact. Her email is amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk The FSF stance on the occurrences on Tuesday night is one of condemnation of those who forced their way in and caused disturbances inside the ground: A statement from the FSF read: "It's clear from witness accounts and video footage that a number of Crystal Palace fans 'stormed' the turnstiles at the Amex Stadium on Tuesday night. There is no excuse for such behaviour and the FSF condemns these actions and reiterates our anti-pyro(technic) stance. Many of the fans who reported this to us are match-going Crystal Palace fans with tickets who fear that they will suffer the consequences of such behaviour." [Link] There will be no nice rosy smell coming out of any of the FSF's conclusions. Edited by bexleydave (01 Dec 2017 4.17pm) Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 01 Dec 17 4.16pm

Originally posted by Kodg

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Personally, I think it's important. If we don't speak out the police will own the narrative and the fans will be to blame for their incompetence.

There's already lies spreading around this.

Amanda Jacks is the contact. Her email is

amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk

The FSF stance on the occurrences on Tuesday night is one of condemnation of those who forced their way in and caused disturbances inside the ground:

A statement from the FSF read: "It's clear from witness accounts and video footage that a number of Crystal Palace fans 'stormed' the turnstiles at the Amex Stadium on Tuesday night.

There is no excuse for such behaviour and the FSF condemns these actions and reiterates our anti-pyro(technic) stance.

Many of the fans who reported this to us are match-going Crystal Palace fans with tickets who fear that they will suffer the consequences of such behaviour."

[Link]

There will be no nice rosy smell coming out of any of the FSF's conclusions.

Edited by bexleydave (01 Dec 2017 4.17pm)

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Kodg LDN 01 Dec 17 7.13pm
Originally posted by bexleydave The FSF stance on the occurrences on Tuesday night is one of condemnation of those who forced their way in and caused disturbances inside the ground: A statement from the FSF read: "It's clear from witness accounts and video footage that a number of Crystal Palace fans 'stormed' the turnstiles at the Amex Stadium on Tuesday night. There is no excuse for such behaviour and the FSF condemns these actions and reiterates our anti-pyro(technic) stance. Many of the fans who reported this to us are match-going Crystal Palace fans with tickets who fear that they will suffer the consequences of such behaviour." [Link] There will be no nice rosy smell coming out of any of the FSF's conclusions. Edited by bexleydave (01 Dec 2017 4.17pm) This was lifted from the Evening Standard and was in itself a part of a wider statement that offered a little more balance. But as always it is what is left out of the news that is the real problem I have never been involved in reporting anything like the events of Tues before, so I have no idea if anything will be achieve from doing so now, but if we don't try then we become part of the problem Edited by Kodg (01 Dec 2017 7.23pm)
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Kodg

LDN 01 Dec 17 7.13pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

The FSF stance on the occurrences on Tuesday night is one of condemnation of those who forced their way in and caused disturbances inside the ground:

A statement from the FSF read: "It's clear from witness accounts and video footage that a number of Crystal Palace fans 'stormed' the turnstiles at the Amex Stadium on Tuesday night.

There is no excuse for such behaviour and the FSF condemns these actions and reiterates our anti-pyro(technic) stance.

Many of the fans who reported this to us are match-going Crystal Palace fans with tickets who fear that they will suffer the consequences of such behaviour."

[Link]

There will be no nice rosy smell coming out of any of the FSF's conclusions.

Edited by bexleydave (01 Dec 2017 4.17pm)

This was lifted from the Evening Standard and was in itself a part of a wider statement that offered a little more balance. But as always it is what is left out of the news that is the real problem

I have never been involved in reporting anything like the events of Tues before, so I have no idea if anything will be achieve from doing so now, but if we don't try then we become part of the problem

Edited by Kodg (01 Dec 2017 7.23pm)

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simonmdt x 12 Apr 18 7.21pm
Should anyone want an update. An official complaint has now been lodged with Sussex police after their poor handling of Brighton away Details here [Link]
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Should anyone want an update. An official complaint has now been lodged with Sussex police after their poor handling of Brighton away

Details here

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Apr 18 8.50pm
I applaud the efforts of all those concerned. Testimonies from fans on the day of the match are truly shocking. Media coverage (or lack of it) will have some influence, along with the fact that 'football supporters' seem to lose their rights as tax-payers and citizens in these sorts of situations. "Oh well, they're only football fans" kind of stereotype. I wish the FSF and other Palace fans all the best with this. I disengage, I turn the page.
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I applaud the efforts of all those concerned. Testimonies from fans on the day of the match are truly shocking.
Media coverage (or lack of it) will have some influence, along with the fact that 'football supporters' seem to lose their rights as tax-payers and citizens in these sorts of situations. "Oh well, they're only football fans" kind of stereotype.

I wish the FSF and other Palace fans all the best with this.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Apr 18 9.00pm
Originally posted by bexleydave The FSF stance on the occurrences on Tuesday night is one of condemnation of those who forced their way in and caused disturbances inside the ground: A statement from the FSF read: "It's clear from witness accounts and video footage that a number of Crystal Palace fans 'stormed' the turnstiles at the Amex Stadium on Tuesday night. There is no excuse for such behaviour and the FSF condemns these actions and reiterates our anti-pyro(technic) stance. Edited by bexleydave (01 Dec 2017 4.17pm) Were there any pyrotechnics ? Not sure if this was substantiated at the Mansex. For sure there have been fireworks at Wembley and Selhurst, and there-in lies the precedent that taints all Palace fans. As for storming the gates, wasn't this found to be a gate left open, which fans with tickets ran to ? You see how muddy the waters have (deliberately) got with the Police marching people to the train station (even though they arrived by car), depriving them of going to the game, then issuing false allegations of 'storming the gates', 'knives', 'knuckledusters', 'pyrotechnics'? The only way this can be resolved is by starting a complaint, and taking it to the highest level. Police Complaints and Public Inquiry beckons. Well done FSF and your comrades I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 12 Apr 18 9.00pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

The FSF stance on the occurrences on Tuesday night is one of condemnation of those who forced their way in and caused disturbances inside the ground:

A statement from the FSF read: "It's clear from witness accounts and video footage that a number of Crystal Palace fans 'stormed' the turnstiles at the Amex Stadium on Tuesday night.

There is no excuse for such behaviour and the FSF condemns these actions and reiterates our anti-pyro(technic) stance.

Edited by bexleydave (01 Dec 2017 4.17pm)

Were there any pyrotechnics ? Not sure if this was substantiated at the Mansex. For sure there have been fireworks at Wembley and Selhurst, and there-in lies the precedent that taints all Palace fans.

As for storming the gates, wasn't this found to be a gate left open, which fans with tickets ran to ?

You see how muddy the waters have (deliberately) got with the Police marching people to the train station (even though they arrived by car), depriving them of going to the game, then issuing false allegations of 'storming the gates', 'knives', 'knuckledusters', 'pyrotechnics'?

The only way this can be resolved is by starting a complaint, and taking it to the highest level. Police Complaints and Public Inquiry beckons.

Well done FSF and your comrades

I disengage, I turn the page.

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MikeCrete Crete 13 Apr 18 10.50pm
Originally posted by simonmdt Should anyone want an update. An official complaint has now been lodged with Sussex police after their poor handling of Brighton away Details here [Link] Hopefully the clown in charge will be charge with grosss misconduct & sacked.
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MikeCrete Crete 13 Apr 18 10.55pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Were there any pyrotechnics ? Not sure if this was substantiated at the Mansex. For sure there have been fireworks at Wembley and Selhurst, and there-in lies the precedent that taints all Palace fans. As for storming the gates, wasn't this found to be a gate left open, which fans with tickets ran to ? You see how muddy the waters have (deliberately) got with the Police marching people to the train station (even though they arrived by car), depriving them of going to the game, then issuing false allegations of 'storming the gates', 'knives', 'knuckledusters', 'pyrotechnics'? The only way this can be resolved is by starting a complaint, and taking it to the highest level. Police Complaints and Public Inquiry beckons. Well done FSF and your comrades The gate was left open by a steward going for a fag, sadly one of our stewards did require hospital treatment for his injuries sustained in trying to keep our fans out. THere most certainly were pyrotechnics in the ground, and the people behind them forc d fans out of their seats to get beh8 d the goal. No of that, though, can be used as an excuse to justify the police behaviour that evening, want to see them prosecuted, as they would us, without any hesitation
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Crete 13 Apr 18 10.55pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

As for storming the gates, wasn't this found to be a gate left open, which fans with tickets ran to ?

You see how muddy the waters have (deliberately) got with the Police marching people to the train station (even though they arrived by car), depriving them of going to the game, then issuing false allegations of 'storming the gates', 'knives', 'knuckledusters', 'pyrotechnics'?

The only way this can be resolved is by starting a complaint, and taking it to the highest level. Police Complaints and Public Inquiry beckons.

Well done FSF and your comrades

The gate was left open by a steward going for a fag, sadly one of our stewards did require hospital treatment for his injuries sustained in trying to keep our fans out. THere most certainly were pyrotechnics in the ground, and the people behind them forc d fans out of their seats to get beh8 d the goal.
No of that, though, can be used as an excuse to justify the police behaviour that evening, want to see them prosecuted, as they would us, without any hesitation

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 14 Apr 18 2.51am
I have to say, I think I gauged this wrong from my initial post. My wife was watching South-East news yesterday evening, and she said a representative from Sussex police was briefly interviewed and he admitted 'mistakes had been made in relation to policing of the Brighton - Palace game' Making a mistake is like driving off with your handbrake on. You immediately know there is a problem (based on your previous driving experience), so you rectify the problem before anything dangerous happens. What Sussex police did was drive through a pedestrian area at 60mph and then tell the media the pedestrians were vandalising your car with weapons. That is incompetence, provocative, and lying. I think the interview was an attempt to de-fuse the complaint. I hope the fans see this through to the end and hold those who made the policing decisions to account. Looks like you have the police (match-day commander) on the back-foot already. Sure, every club has a few t055ers amongst its support, and I would hope they are brought to account. That is termed 'policing', I believe. But to treat all fans the way the police did was disgraceful. I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 14 Apr 18 2.51am

I have to say, I think I gauged this wrong from my initial post.

My wife was watching South-East news yesterday evening, and she said a representative from Sussex police was briefly interviewed and he admitted 'mistakes had been made in relation to policing of the Brighton - Palace game'

Making a mistake is like driving off with your handbrake on. You immediately know there is a problem (based on your previous driving experience), so you rectify the problem before anything dangerous happens.

What Sussex police did was drive through a pedestrian area at 60mph and then tell the media the pedestrians were vandalising your car with weapons. That is incompetence, provocative, and lying.

I think the interview was an attempt to de-fuse the complaint.
I hope the fans see this through to the end and hold those who made the policing decisions to account.
Looks like you have the police (match-day commander) on the back-foot already.

Sure, every club has a few t055ers amongst its support, and I would hope they are brought to account. That is termed 'policing', I believe.
But to treat all fans the way the police did was disgraceful.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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