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Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Nov 17 10.01am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Well, Sweden aren't in Nato so perhaps you're right

But they are in the Eurovision Song Contest though

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Nov 17 10.07am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Besides it's a bit of a silly question as to invade Sweden by land Russia would have to go through Norway or less likely Finland.

Norway is in Nato but Finland isn't.....so they could go through Finland I suppose and hypothetically we would have both these European countries taken over without breaking treaties.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2017 10.08am)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 21 Nov 17 10.08am

Probably true, Britain's world standing really pivots on its influence. Brexit will reduce that, as we'll no longer be part of the EU and EU trade block, or able to exert influence.

Dependent on the outcome of leaving the EU, and how the EU fares without the UK (and in the coming years) will either see the UK's influence rise or fall.

A lot of the UK's world standing is due to the Special Relationship, and the UK's position as often the voice of reason in the US ear. The current president, isn't really a listen to the voices of reason kind of guy.

But we still have a significant capacity for influence due to our presence on the UN Security Council. However recent actions of unilaterialism (Iraq) pretty much rendered that obsolete. The US, Russia and China really don't have much regard for that now.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 21 Nov 17 10.10am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Never had you down as a British nationalist, pining after Britain as world power, judging the 'lesser' countries etc.

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 21 Nov 17 10.13am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

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This is getting ridiculous m'lud.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Nov 17 10.16am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

In short no, not really.

Though Guardian readers will eternally hope for it.

As in, internationalism = good Nationalism = bad type thinking.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 21 Nov 17 10.21am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

As others have said, doesn't matter... unless influence translates into trade.

People will buy our goods and services based on a whole range of criteria. However, where influence and global clout counts is government contracts where politics is the dominating factor. And that counts most in the sale of military and "security produce".

I know, I know but there are so many jobs dependent on exports in these areas. I would rather we were exporting tulips and love beads instead of jet fighters to autocratic regimes; but until we can replace those industries with "nice" ones we are in a jam.

There is also the small fact that if we are an important influence abroad [as we apparently still are in the Middle East... yup, I'm as surprised as you by that] we can have a degree of control over how those nasty dictators use our weapons. And for those saying, yeah I can see how that's working, just imagine what would happen if there was a reduction in pressure from us and other "interfering" countries? Indeed, I imagine there is a school of thought that the escalation in the Iran [Shia] v Saudi [Sunni] proxy war around that region is partly fed by British and US withdrawal into introspection.

Which leads to the next point. For those who are saying they are happy for us to stop meddling in foreign affairs, that is all well and good so long as this does not lead to greater international instability. This would negatively impact on trade and this country's prosperity. Obviously, it would also be appalling for those poor people stuck in the middle of it; but the posts on this site indicate that people are far less concerned by that.

Finally, if you are still giving aid in an insecure world, without influence we are less sure that said aid is gong to go to the desired destination. It is difficult enough now while we are seeking to police those payments.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Nov 17 10.45am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Another pointless pro Remain thread. Any such claim is an attempt to undermine British interests for political gain.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 21 Nov 17 10.46am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

These are judges aren't they? As such, shouldn't they be above any petty national interest?

In other words, if the judges are of good standing and unbiased, it should not make a blind bit of difference where they hold citizenship.

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 21 Nov 17 3.19pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

It's quite funny really if you read it through ...Greenwood I think was his name was an advisor to w***er Blair for the travisty that was the Iraq war.

The Guardian putting us down....who knew.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 21 Nov 17 3.22pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

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Jamie it has to work both ways,if I didnt know better I would think you are picking on certain posters.

Its getting closevto bullying mate....surely has to be through the board.


 


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