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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Nov 17 3.32pm
Originally posted by elgrande So with hat little statement about Saudi,you are saying Muslims dont want non muslims living permanently in saudi arabia,Am I right? Some certainly don't. Arguably Saudi Arabia is somewhat inclined towards that mentality as well. The troops arrived for Desert Storm, but the issue of permanent US military bases in Saudi Arabia has been an issue within certain Islamic circles. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Nov 17 3.32pm

Originally posted by elgrande

So with hat little statement about Saudi,you are saying Muslims dont want non muslims living permanently in saudi arabia,Am I right?

Some certainly don't. Arguably Saudi Arabia is somewhat inclined towards that mentality as well. The troops arrived for Desert Storm, but the issue of permanent US military bases in Saudi Arabia has been an issue within certain Islamic circles.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Nov 17 3.33pm
Originally posted by Park Road Is that fact or just your opinion?I thought a worldwide caliphate is the concept of a single one-world government, supported in particular by a certain Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic state and other extremist groups. It was this or them I was referring to. In other words Islamic terrorist groups. What the rest of Islam want I wouldn't be as bold to say much ,only that when dealing with religious belief the book is gospel so to speak. So, this worldwide domination of Islam which has been promised by Allah ( does not necessarily mean that every single person on earth will become Muslim. When we say that Islam will dominate the world, we mean as a political system, as the messenger Muhammad (saw) prophesised that the authority on earth will belong to the Muslims, i.e. the believers will be in power and the Sharee’ah of Islam will be implemented in every corner of the earth. So , if that's what their god wants that's what their believers want too I.e. all of Islam. That's my opinion BTW Based on what?
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Shizzlehurst 07 Nov 17 3.33pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Is that fact or just your opinion?I
thought a worldwide caliphate is the concept of a single one-world government, supported in particular by a certain Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic state and other extremist groups.
It was this or them I was referring to. In other words Islamic terrorist groups.
What the rest of Islam want I wouldn't be as bold to say much ,only that when dealing with religious belief the book is gospel so to speak.

So, this worldwide domination of Islam which has been promised by Allah ( does not necessarily mean that every single person on earth will become Muslim. When we say that Islam will dominate the world, we mean as a political system, as the messenger Muhammad (saw) prophesised that the authority on earth will belong to the Muslims, i.e. the believers will be in power and the Sharee’ah of Islam will be implemented in every corner of the earth.

So , if that's what their god wants that's what their believers want too I.e. all of Islam.
That's my opinion BTW

Based on what?

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elgrande bedford 07 Nov 17 3.34pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Don't disagree with that, what I'm saying is that the government knew and expected that increase in pressure on services and did nothing, except to cut taxes and corporate taxes. Prior to the credit crunch, there was probably a case for that migration level, given the economic boom the UK was in. Problem of hospital waiting lists though aren't down to legal migrants using them, but governments failure to properly fund and equip the NHS to fulfil its role. Role of government is to govern, not to win elections. Jamie,how much funding over the years has the NHS had. Far far too much money has been pumped into it. What it needs is a total overhaul,with the people who do the medical work made priority. Its a cash cow for managers and suppliers. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 07 Nov 17 3.34pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Don't disagree with that, what I'm saying is that the government knew and expected that increase in pressure on services and did nothing, except to cut taxes and corporate taxes.

Prior to the credit crunch, there was probably a case for that migration level, given the economic boom the UK was in.

Problem of hospital waiting lists though aren't down to legal migrants using them, but governments failure to properly fund and equip the NHS to fulfil its role.

Role of government is to govern, not to win elections.

Jamie,how much funding over the years has the NHS had.

Far far too much money has been pumped into it.
What it needs is a total overhaul,with the people who do the medical work made priority.
Its a cash cow for managers and suppliers.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Nov 17 3.36pm
Originally posted by elgrande Jamie,how much funding over the years has the NHS had. Far far too much money has been pumped into it. What it needs is a total overhaul,with the people who do the medical work made priority. Its a cash cow for managers and suppliers. Go and work on the front line for a week. See if you change your mind.
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Shizzlehurst 07 Nov 17 3.36pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Jamie,how much funding over the years has the NHS had.

Far far too much money has been pumped into it.
What it needs is a total overhaul,with the people who do the medical work made priority.
Its a cash cow for managers and suppliers.

Go and work on the front line for a week. See if you change your mind.

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Park Road 07 Nov 17 3.42pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Based on what? Based on what?you say interesting question. I suppose nick that in general my opinion can be a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive. ... In casual use, the term opinion may be the result of a person's perspective, understanding, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. To be fair it could also be down to unsubstantiated information, in contrast to knowledge and fact. What about you Nick, what do you base your opinions on?
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07 Nov 17 3.42pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Based on what?

Based on what?you say interesting question. I suppose nick that in general my opinion can be a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive. ... In casual use, the term opinion may be the result of a person's perspective, understanding, particular feelings, beliefs, and desires. To be fair it could also be down to unsubstantiated information, in contrast to knowledge and fact.

What about you Nick, what do you base your opinions on?

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elgrande bedford 07 Nov 17 3.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Go and work on the front line for a week. See if you change your mind. I dont need to i know people who do. And they say the same,it needs a complete overhaul,and as i said the medical i.e.doctors and nurses staff need to be taken care of first of all. The whole management system is bloated beyond belief. I know a retired surgical secretary who looked after 5 surgeons,quite easily.she retired they now have 3 people doing the same job. I also know a buyer at the watford hospitals trust.suppliers mark up prices sometimes by x5 when selling to the NHS and that has been going on for years and years. So you see i do have a little insight about the problems,and thats first hand.. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 07 Nov 17 3.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Go and work on the front line for a week. See if you change your mind.

I dont need to i know people who do.
And they say the same,it needs a complete overhaul,and as i said the medical i.e.doctors and nurses staff need to be taken care of first of all.
The whole management system is bloated beyond belief.
I know a retired surgical secretary who looked after 5 surgeons,quite easily.she retired they now have 3 people doing the same job.
I also know a buyer at the watford hospitals trust.suppliers mark up prices sometimes by x5 when selling to the NHS and that has been going on for years and years.

So you see i do have a little insight about the problems,and thats first hand..

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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