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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Sep 17 4.15pm
Good post, but allow me on 2 things. 'If I can work that out then so can the players.' You're not likely to know this but they did. This has come from within the training ground. It's more than the 4 or 5 mentioned in the press, put it that way. Enough for it to be a big issue on top of it being likely to fail anyway. 'If we go back to 4-3-3 we don't need De Boer because he's not used to playing like that. Roy (or Sam) are.' So was Frank. Problem is I don't think Parish could trust he would, and I didn't hear Frank say he would stay with 4-whatever whereas he couldn't wait to tell the world it would be 3-4-3, despite Frank hardly ever having done so before, let alone the players. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Sep 17 4.15pm

Good post, but allow me on 2 things.

'If I can work that out then so can the players.'

You're not likely to know this but they did. This has come from within the training ground. It's more than the 4 or 5 mentioned in the press, put it that way. Enough for it to be a big issue on top of it being likely to fail anyway.

'If we go back to 4-3-3 we don't need De Boer because he's not used to playing like that. Roy (or Sam) are.'

So was Frank. Problem is I don't think Parish could trust he would, and I didn't hear Frank say he would stay with 4-whatever whereas he couldn't wait to tell the world it would be 3-4-3, despite Frank hardly ever having done so before, let alone the players.

COYP

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BigNasty12 Halifax 19 Sep 17 12.58am
Frank de Boer, it was WORKING under Frank. Unlucky at Anfield and Turf Moor should've had at the very least 4 points. Needed the backing of the Board and Steve Parish to get a Right Back, Goalkeeper, and a Striker and didn't get it.
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BigNasty12

Halifax 19 Sep 17 12.58am

Frank de Boer, it was WORKING under Frank. Unlucky at Anfield and Turf Moor should've had at the very least 4 points. Needed the backing of the Board and Steve Parish to get a Right Back, Goalkeeper, and a Striker and didn't get it.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Sep 17 1.10am
Originally posted by Zschopautaler Parish doesn't decide the sackings that is down to his American friends. Parish is the executer SP seems to disagree he does not make sacking decisions Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Sep 17 1.10am

Originally posted by Zschopautaler

Parish doesn't decide the sackings that is down to his American friends. Parish is the executer

SP seems to disagree he does not make sacking decisions

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Gyro1780 Leatherhead, Surrey 19 Sep 17 3.03am
Feel more comfortable with Roy in charge & think he'll get the best out of the team but he's only had one game. I really didn't want Roy in the summer but i'm quite happy he's here now. Not really anyone else we could have chosen after sacking de Boer.
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Gyro1780

Leatherhead, Surrey 19 Sep 17 3.03am

Feel more comfortable with Roy in charge & think he'll get the best out of the team but he's only had one game.

I really didn't want Roy in the summer but i'm quite happy he's here now. Not really anyone else we could have chosen after sacking de Boer.

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 19 Sep 17 8.07am
Originally posted by BigNasty12 Frank de Boer, it was WORKING under Frank. Unlucky at Anfield and Turf Moor should've had at the very least 4 points. Needed the backing of the Board and Steve Parish to get a Right Back, Goalkeeper, and a Striker and didn't get it. It wasn't working. Relationships were breaking down throughout the whole club. It wasn't just the results that saw him punted. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 19 Sep 17 8.07am

Originally posted by BigNasty12

It wasn't working. Relationships were breaking down throughout the whole club. It wasn't just the results that saw him punted.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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chateauferret 19 Sep 17 10.26am
Originally posted by BigNasty12 Frank de Boer, it was WORKING under Frank. Unlucky at Anfield and Turf Moor should've had at the very least 4 points. Needed the backing of the Board and Steve Parish to get a Right Back, Goalkeeper, and a Striker and didn't get it. It looked like it might work playing four at the back at times, but the problem is de Boer wasn't going to do that unless he was told to do it or get sacked, which is no way to go on. Plus which he had already pardewed Delaney, Milivojevic, Ward, probably van Aanholt and possibly Benteke, plus which he couldn't see that Puncheon and Lee were s*e and that Milivojevic was the bollocks. Then there was his non-contribution to the transfer strategy. He didn't just lose four league games. He had started to bollocks up the squad and f* people off and we've already seen where you can end up when the manager does that. ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

19 Sep 17 10.26am

Originally posted by BigNasty12

Frank de Boer, it was WORKING under Frank. Unlucky at Anfield and Turf Moor should've had at the very least 4 points. Needed the backing of the Board and Steve Parish to get a Right Back, Goalkeeper, and a Striker and didn't get it.

It looked like it might work playing four at the back at times, but the problem is de Boer wasn't going to do that unless he was told to do it or get sacked, which is no way to go on. Plus which he had already pardewed Delaney, Milivojevic, Ward, probably van Aanholt and possibly Benteke, plus which he couldn't see that Puncheon and Lee were s***e and that Milivojevic was the bollocks. Then there was his non-contribution to the transfer strategy.

He didn't just lose four league games. He had started to bollocks up the squad and f*** people off and we've already seen where you can end up when the manager does that.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 19 Sep 17 10.36am
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General It wasn't working. Relationships were breaking down throughout the whole club. It wasn't just the results that saw him punted. Too true. If he'd been playing to our strengths and had had the team running through walls for him, he'd still be here, irrespective of the initial results. It was his having no discernable interpersonal or man-management skills that got him the chop. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 19 Sep 17 10.36am

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

It wasn't working. Relationships were breaking down throughout the whole club. It wasn't just the results that saw him punted.

Too true. If he'd been playing to our strengths and had had the team running through walls for him, he'd still be here, irrespective of the initial results. It was his having no discernable interpersonal or man-management skills that got him the chop.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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spartakev2 Anerley 19 Sep 17 11.02am
Originally posted by kevmason98 I don't post on here much, but heard Steve Parish interview last night and he is hurting as much as the rest of us. He was open and honest and also brave to come on to face the onslaught. We were unlucky not to score on Saturday (Forster had two goal bound shots hit him on various parts of the body that could have gone anywhere... but stayed out) and even unluckier not to score the week before. It's there fine margins that have caused almost hysteria around Selhurst Park. My opinion To me..... appointing Roy was the right decision. We could have waited, but it would have taken longer to get the spirit back........ I think we all agree that the passing football we were playing was very good, but we just didn't have the players to execute it at pace, under the pressure of other premiership players closing us down. Most of our goals against came from us giving the ball away under pressure. It's obvious to me that after 3 games we wouldn't win another playing like that and playing the formation we did against Burnley we would win most. If I can work that out then so can the players. If we go back to 4-3-3 we don't need De Boer because he's not used to playing like that. Roy (or Sam) are. And would be more experienced managers playing in that style. If you read the article below.. De Boer's man management skills were not conducive to a good team spirit. We've seen worse... most of the time. We've been better .. a few times... not may to be honest!! Remember we are still in the premiership ... we've got the best squad on paper we've ever had assembled at the club... EVER. We just need leadership and everyone pulling in the same direction.... and that includes US... we can play our part Saturday. We'll never know the full story, but let's get behind the team Saturday and get the place rocking again. And anyone who doesn't think Roy's methods for achieving results at this level are any good... his statistics are pretty conclusive and very consistent. It's a brave decision by our owners to make this decision so early, but the right one. We can help change the mood on the pitch by getting behind the team. I don't expect anything out of the next 3 games... if we get a point from those I will be happy. It's from the Newcastle game I am looking for points. We need leadership, organisation, a game plan and coaching drills to help the players execute the game plan on the pitch. We've been in this situation before and gotten out of it. Some stats about Roy... 35% - Roy Hodgson's win percentage as a Premier League manager. Blackburn 35% Fulham 34% Liverpool 35% West Brom 36%. Consistent. — OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) September 12, 2017 Article about management style and player confidence - [Link] Unless my maths are wrong.....assuming we loose our next 3 games, we will need a win percentage of just under 45% to reach 40 points. Even if we're lucky and 36 would keep us up, that's still a win percentage of 40%....to take a team who loose there first 8 (assuming we do) to then win at least 40% of their remaining games is a very tall order..I'm normally an optimistic person, but I can't see us surviving this season Edited by spartakev2 (19 Sep 2017 11.08am)
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spartakev2

Anerley 19 Sep 17 11.02am

Originally posted by kevmason98

I don't post on here much, but heard Steve Parish interview last night and he is hurting as much as the rest of us. He was open and honest and also brave to come on to face the onslaught.

We were unlucky not to score on Saturday (Forster had two goal bound shots hit him on various parts of the body that could have gone anywhere... but stayed out) and even unluckier not to score the week before.
It's there fine margins that have caused almost hysteria around Selhurst Park.

My opinion
To me..... appointing Roy was the right decision.
We could have waited, but it would have taken longer to get the spirit back........

I think we all agree that the passing football we were playing was very good, but we just didn't have the players to execute it at pace, under the pressure of other premiership players closing us down.
Most of our goals against came from us giving the ball away under pressure.
It's obvious to me that after 3 games we wouldn't win another playing like that and playing the formation we did against Burnley we would win most.
If I can work that out then so can the players.
If we go back to 4-3-3 we don't need De Boer because he's not used to playing like that.
Roy (or Sam) are.
And would be more experienced managers playing in that style.
If you read the article below.. De Boer's man management skills were not conducive to a good team spirit.

We've seen worse... most of the time.
We've been better .. a few times... not may to be honest!!

Remember we are still in the premiership ... we've got the best squad on paper we've ever had assembled at the club... EVER.
We just need leadership and everyone pulling in the same direction.... and that includes US... we can play our part Saturday.

We'll never know the full story, but let's get behind the team Saturday and get the place rocking again.

And anyone who doesn't think Roy's methods for achieving results at this level are any good... his statistics are pretty conclusive and very consistent.

It's a brave decision by our owners to make this decision so early, but the right one.

We can help change the mood on the pitch by getting behind the team.

I don't expect anything out of the next 3 games... if we get a point from those I will be happy.

It's from the Newcastle game I am looking for points.
We need leadership, organisation, a game plan and coaching drills to help the players execute the game plan on the pitch.
We've been in this situation before and gotten out of it.

Some stats about Roy...

35% - Roy Hodgson's win percentage as a Premier League manager.
Blackburn 35%
Fulham 34%
Liverpool 35%
West Brom 36%.
Consistent.
— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) September 12, 2017

Article about management style and player confidence - [Link]

Unless my maths are wrong.....assuming we loose our next 3 games, we will need a win percentage of just under 45% to reach 40 points. Even if we're lucky and 36 would keep us up, that's still a win percentage of 40%....to take a team who loose there first 8 (assuming we do) to then win at least 40% of their remaining games is a very tall order..I'm normally an optimistic person, but I can't see us surviving this season

Edited by spartakev2 (19 Sep 2017 11.08am)

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chateauferret 19 Sep 17 12.17pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 Unless my maths are wrong.....assuming we loose our next 3 games, we will need a win percentage of just under 45% to reach 40 points. Even if we're lucky and 36 would keep us up, that's still a win percentage of 40%....to take a team who loose there first 8 (assuming we do) to then win at least 40% of their remaining games is a very tall order..I'm normally an optimistic person, but I can't see us surviving this season Edited by spartakev2 (19 Sep 2017 11.08am) Does that assume we lose all the games we don't win? If so then half a dozen draws would make the difference between 32 points and 38, say. ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

19 Sep 17 12.17pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

Edited by spartakev2 (19 Sep 2017 11.08am)

Does that assume we lose all the games we don't win?

If so then half a dozen draws would make the difference between 32 points and 38, say.

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spartakev2 Anerley 19 Sep 17 12.32pm
Originally posted by chateauferret Does that assume we lose all the games we don't win? If so then half a dozen draws would make the difference between 32 points and 38, say. We basically will have 90 points to play for, so would need to win at least 40% of those 90 points...
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spartakev2

Anerley 19 Sep 17 12.32pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Does that assume we lose all the games we don't win?

If so then half a dozen draws would make the difference between 32 points and 38, say.

We basically will have 90 points to play for, so would need to win at least 40% of those 90 points...

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Pigglelet Deepest Darkest Sussex 19 Sep 17 3.05pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 We basically will have 90 points to play for, so would need to win at least 40% of those 90 points... 40% of 90 = 36. 36 points from 30 games could be achieved (for example) with 9 wins, 9 draws and 12 defeats. That’s a win ration of 30%. Only if we had to gain all the points with wins (which we wouldn’t) then would that require a win ratio of 40%, yes. "Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain.
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Pigglelet

Deepest Darkest Sussex 19 Sep 17 3.05pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

We basically will have 90 points to play for, so would need to win at least 40% of those 90 points...

40% of 90 = 36. 36 points from 30 games could be achieved (for example) with 9 wins, 9 draws and 12 defeats. That’s a win ration of 30%. Only if we had to gain all the points with wins (which we wouldn’t) then would that require a win ratio of 40%, yes.

"Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
Mark Twain.

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