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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Aug 17 10.07am
Originally posted by steeleye20 I have been rescued !!!!!!!!! It has been pointed out to me (as though I am an idiot how absurd) that there is a reason for the RAF and luftwaffe seemingly being absent. In fact there was a pitch battle going on inland with the RAF attacking airfields and the luftwaffe in the air and that this was to prevent them finishing off our men at Dunkirk. Sounds much more feasible to me and apparently from the records of the men who flew at the time must have been many personnel lost. And seemingly the men on the beach did resent the RAF not being there but had no idea why. Bad feeling that was restored by the forthcoming battle of Britain? France well within range of our aircraft - closer than Birmingham. Well they'd probably see them go flying over, on their way to attack airfields, and those on the ground probably assumed they should be fighting in the air over Dunkirk and supporting the evacuation. Meanwhile the British pilots were probably providing more air cover than they could if they'd just stayed over the beaches. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 01 Aug 17 10.07am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I have been rescued !!!!!!!!!

It has been pointed out to me (as though I am an idiot how absurd) that there is a reason for the RAF and luftwaffe seemingly being absent.

In fact there was a pitch battle going on inland with the RAF attacking airfields and the luftwaffe in the air and that this was to prevent them finishing off our men at Dunkirk.

Sounds much more feasible to me and apparently from the records of the men who flew at the time must have been many personnel lost.

And seemingly the men on the beach did resent the RAF not being there but had no idea why. Bad feeling that was restored by the forthcoming battle of Britain?

France well within range of our aircraft - closer than Birmingham.

Well they'd probably see them go flying over, on their way to attack airfields, and those on the ground probably assumed they should be fighting in the air over Dunkirk and supporting the evacuation.

Meanwhile the British pilots were probably providing more air cover than they could if they'd just stayed over the beaches.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Aug 17 10.09am
Originally posted by Ray in Houston If the Battle of Britain was their finest hour, Dunkirk was seen as a failure by the RAF (that usually gets glossed over in the telling of the Dunkirk story). However, for reasons you cite, they were doing their best with what they had. A bit of movie trivia: Nolan used real Spits and "Yellow-Nosed b******s" making the movie. No CGI involved; he had the real aircraft flying around and chased them with a camera plane. I don't know how many Spitfires would have been at Dunkirk. Most of the RAF's backbone at the time, even during the Battle of Britain was the Hurricane. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

If the Battle of Britain was their finest hour, Dunkirk was seen as a failure by the RAF (that usually gets glossed over in the telling of the Dunkirk story). However, for reasons you cite, they were doing their best with what they had.

A bit of movie trivia: Nolan used real Spits and "Yellow-Nosed b******s" making the movie. No CGI involved; he had the real aircraft flying around and chased them with a camera plane.

I don't know how many Spitfires would have been at Dunkirk. Most of the RAF's backbone at the time, even during the Battle of Britain was the Hurricane.

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Lakeview Lincoln 01 Aug 17 10.16am
In reply to Elgrande, my father was in the Royal Artillery (Field) & served for 8 years in total. Sorry if I should have posted this in a different section. On a similar subject, what do you think of the Remembrance for the 100th anniversary of Passchendaele? Personally, I don't like the "Black Adder"-style of history: war is futile-angle. I think both World Wars were disasters, but stopped power-crazed evil from spreading.
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Lincoln 01 Aug 17 10.16am

In reply to Elgrande, my father was in the Royal Artillery (Field) & served for 8 years in total. Sorry if I should have posted this in a different section.
On a similar subject, what do you think of the Remembrance for the 100th anniversary of Passchendaele? Personally, I don't like the "Black Adder"-style of history: war is futile-angle. I think both World Wars were disasters, but stopped power-crazed evil from spreading.

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Ray in Houston Houston 01 Aug 17 5.14pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't know how many Spitfires would have been at Dunkirk. Most of the RAF's backbone at the time, even during the Battle of Britain was the Hurricane. Good point. And I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know if he had any 'Canes in there too. Spitfires are just far more evocative despite being much less numerous and, ironically, much more susceptible to their opponents canons due to their monocoque construction. Of course, there were a number of Fokkes...some of whom were in Messerschmidts. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't know how many Spitfires would have been at Dunkirk. Most of the RAF's backbone at the time, even during the Battle of Britain was the Hurricane.

Good point. And I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know if he had any 'Canes in there too. Spitfires are just far more evocative despite being much less numerous and, ironically, much more susceptible to their opponents canons due to their monocoque construction.

Of course, there were a number of Fokkes...some of whom were in Messerschmidts.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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becky over the moon 01 Aug 17 5.34pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Stukas were very effective in Holland / Belgium / France etc. as they had little airborne opposition. Once they came up against Hurricanes and Spitfires, however, they were sitting ducks. You're right that, shortly after the start of the Battle of Britain, Stukas were taken out of the theatre because their losses were horrendous. I believe that it was the Stukas that the Spitfires would fly up underneath, and then tip their wings up with their own as they turned away, sending the Stukas in a downward spiral that they didn't have time to pull out of. Saved the Spitfires and awful lot of ammo too! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Stukas were very effective in Holland / Belgium / France etc. as they had little airborne opposition. Once they came up against Hurricanes and Spitfires, however, they were sitting ducks. You're right that, shortly after the start of the Battle of Britain, Stukas were taken out of the theatre because their losses were horrendous.

I believe that it was the Stukas that the Spitfires would fly up underneath, and then tip their wings up with their own as they turned away, sending the Stukas in a downward spiral that they didn't have time to pull out of. Saved the Spitfires and awful lot of ammo too!

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Ray in Houston Houston 01 Aug 17 6.06pm
Originally posted by becky I believe that it was the Stukas that the Spitfires would fly up underneath, and then tip their wings up with their own as they turned away, sending the Stukas in a downward spiral that they didn't have time to pull out of. Saved the Spitfires and awful lot of ammo too! I knew they did that to Doodlebugs, but never heard that about Stukas. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 01 Aug 17 6.06pm

Originally posted by becky

I knew they did that to Doodlebugs, but never heard that about Stukas.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Oliver Bodega Bay 01 Aug 17 6.28pm
For anyone interested in the history scroll down to Dunkirk Joshua Levine [Link] I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.
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Bodega Bay 01 Aug 17 6.28pm

For anyone interested in the history scroll down to Dunkirk Joshua Levine [Link]

I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 01 Aug 17 6.40pm
Originally posted by Lakeview In reply to Elgrande, my father was in the Royal Artillery (Field) & served for 8 years in total. Sorry if I should have posted this in a different section. On a similar subject, what do you think of the Remembrance for the 100th anniversary of Passchendaele? Personally, I don't like the "Black Adder"-style of history: war is futile-angle. I think both World Wars were disasters, but stopped power-crazed evil from spreading. well said sir Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.
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Originally posted by Lakeview

well said sir

Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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steeleye20 Croydon 01 Aug 17 7.17pm
Originally posted by becky I believe that it was the Stukas that the Spitfires would fly up underneath, and then tip their wings up with their own as they turned away, sending the Stukas in a downward spiral that they didn't have time to pull out of. Saved the Spitfires and awful lot of ammo too! That's the V1 rockets you are thinking of. Stukas became an easy target for our fighter planes and radar as their maximum speed was only about 200 mph.
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Croydon 01 Aug 17 7.17pm

Originally posted by becky

That's the V1 rockets you are thinking of.

Stukas became an easy target for our fighter planes and radar as their maximum speed was only about 200 mph.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 01 Aug 17 8.31pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't know how many Spitfires would have been at Dunkirk. Most of the RAF's backbone at the time, even during the Battle of Britain was the Hurricane. Most of the planes committed were out of date, the good stuff being held back for what was to come (some were committed). Aircrew flew stuff like Bolton Paul Defiants a fighter with no front firing guns and BP Defenders. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 01 Aug 17 8.31pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't know how many Spitfires would have been at Dunkirk. Most of the RAF's backbone at the time, even during the Battle of Britain was the Hurricane.

Most of the planes committed were out of date, the good stuff being held back for what was to come (some were committed).

Aircrew flew stuff like Bolton Paul Defiants a fighter with no front firing guns and BP Defenders.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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