Perhaps they could meet in Munich?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

I was thinking Jack D. Ripper from Dr Stangelove.

With N Korea, I'd imagine that the only real hope is a negotiated agreement and some shifty CIA work behind the scenes to get the 'right man' in place.

The real thing to leverage N Korea with is food, but the problem is getting news to the public, that in return for ending the Nuke program the UN would provide food relief to eradicate the regular famines that wrack the nation and the people.

N Korea is a bit like Israel, but with China as the USA in terms of protection of the client state. Without China, North Korea is f**ked - There is no one to trade with.

A bit of 'blackmail' is acceptable. its how the world works with military leverage. The US isn't beyond backing up its 'political interests' with some military muscle.

North Korea, will demand what they want, the US will demand what they want, and they'll meet somewhere in the middle around what they can live with.

Likely as not, NK will settle for not developing ICBM technology and solid state fuel systems that they require, and likely the Chinese will provide the compromise the US wants, and in turn the North Koreans will compromise with China.

North Korea will continue its Nuclear program, but restrict the number of warheads they build (mostly because they're massively expensive, and they can't afford to produce too many, or maintain too many).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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I know co-dependence is the big 'idea' that many have for ensuring peace....It's behind many of those who back the EU project regardless of its sins and essentially hide behind the UN and its constant deadlock on any action on the world's gaping problems.

It ends in the old sixth former's belief in world governance where every problem is resolved by 'jaw jaw'. The idea that everyone is the same and that differences are cosmetic and can be smoothed if we could just do away with nasty masculinity/nationalism and so on.

I think co-dependence works up to a point....but it is far from the panacea that some regard it as.

Personally I don't think it works. I think it's the ideological projecting their personality type onto others and the problem is that human beings are in fact meant to be tribal and hence combative and not cooperative.

I think we have to adapt to human nature rather than deny it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If that happens the last post on the hol will be from Stirlingsays. 'told you'

f***ing hell! Write down the date. Hrolf responded to one of my posts without a barbed comment.

R U Ok Hun?