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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 May 17 4.57pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think its more about how power is distributed, regulated and mitigated within a political system that makes the difference - and the important factors here are independence of regulatory groups. For example, citizens rights without an independent judiciary are rendered politically impotent - What makes them valid is the capacity of the judiciary to rule against the state and the 'popular opinion'. If they can't then rights are meaningless.

Democratic systems tend to function inefficiently, but effectively, because they have degrees of distribution of power, systems of mitigation and regulation that are enforced by independent systems.

Yes. If the safe guards are removed then tyranny is always possible.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 May 17 5.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes. If the safe guards are removed then tyranny is always possible.

I think its inevitable, well not Tyranny in the true sense, but the general sense of a society that increasingly oppresses and suppresses the rights of at least some of their people - typically at least minority groups.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 May 17 5.32pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes. If the safe guards are removed then tyranny is always possible.

Is that why May wants the UK to get out of the ECHR?

Edited by nickgusset (04 May 2017 5.40pm)

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Is that why May wants the UK to get out of the ECHR?

Edited by nickgusset (04 May 2017 5.40pm)

Another tumbleweed....

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 04 May 17 6.28pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think its inevitable, well not Tyranny in the true sense, but the general sense of a society that increasingly oppresses and suppresses the rights of at least some of their people - typically at least minority groups.

This is true where governments seek to control of what their citizens produce and consume, how the citizens apply their effort, their income, and their savings. This is particularly true of socialist governments of course. The socialist government knows best - that the country cannot flourish or prosper unless people lead their lives and use their energies in a manner laid down by the higher wisdom of a little group of people somewhere in the centre. The EU is is a prime example. Yet people on the left these days, who go on about the curtailment of individual freedom, support socialism and the EU!

 


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.TUX. Flag 04 May 17 6.46pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

This is true where governments seek to control of what their citizens produce and consume, how the citizens apply their effort, their income, and their savings. This is particularly true of socialist governments of course. The socialist government knows best - that the country cannot flourish or prosper unless people lead their lives and use their energies in a manner laid down by the higher wisdom of a little group of people somewhere in the centre. The EU is is a prime example. Yet people on the left these days, who go on about the curtailment of individual freedom, support socialism and the EU!

As we have seen for many many years now, this is ''particularly true'' of ANY government.
Some just fail to see it.

 


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