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 Part Time James  07 Apr 17 12.55pm |
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The trick is, believe in what you can convince yourself you believe in. Not just what you can convince others you believe in.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Apr 17 5.54pm |
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self censored Edited by hedgehog50 (07 Apr 2017 5.56pm)
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Apr 17 4.10pm |
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Atheism is for people who can't deal with the truth of Nihilism.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 Apr 17 4.50pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
The trick is, believe in what you can convince yourself you believe in. Not just what you can convince others you believe in. And once you've done that, get out there and spread the word.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Apr 17 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
The trick is, believe in what you can convince yourself you believe in. Not just what you can convince others you believe in. Belief is for people who can't handle their own existance.
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| Part Time James 11 Apr 17 6.12pm |
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I think we are all our own gods. The sooner we admit to worshipping ourselves the happier we'll be. Not saying we can't be nice people and do stuff for others, but everyone ought to put themselves first and not feel guilty about it.
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NKEagle  Pyongyang 11 Apr 17 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I think we are all our own gods. The sooner we admit to worshipping ourselves the happier we'll be. Not saying we can't be nice people and do stuff for others, but everyone ought to put themselves first and not feel guilty about it. Throughout history, The Powers That Be haven't wanted people thinking that way. Hence the need for religion as a means of control.
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chateauferret  12 Apr 17 10.58am |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I'd like to think the first people relegated to hell were the people that went round hurting and bullying people in the name of religion. I'm not even talking fanatics. I am talking about people selling their God in the hope that heaven operates some kind of commission based hierarchical system. Some of the nastiest people I have encountered have been devout Christians and they are probably utterly convinced there's a palace waiting for them in the afterlife because they've spent their Sunday mornings in church singing songs and eating bread in between their weekly b****** duties. I know a few of these. If you don't believe in God you don't believe in Heaven so you won't go there and that will be no problem for you since you have no use for such things. But if you practice bigotry, hate and vengeance and justify it by claiming it is God's will then you will have a nasty surprise on Judgement Day. The only people who will have a problem are those who aren't true to the beliefs they profess, whatever those beliefs may be. Edited by chateauferret (12 Apr 2017 10.59am)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Apr 17 10.58am |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I think we are all our own gods. The sooner we admit to worshipping ourselves the happier we'll be. Not saying we can't be nice people and do stuff for others, but everyone ought to put themselves first and not feel guilty about it. I'm not even convinced were are our own gods, that kind of ascribes some kind of significance or importance to each of us. We're just sacks of meat and bones that support a brain, of which 8-10% is given over to the largely non-essential functions that we call 'us', the rest just regulates the system. Probably half of that part we would call us, is really operating levels of cognitive awareness. Gods, not really, we're semi-sentient modes of transportation for viruses and bacteria.
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| chateauferret 12 Apr 17 11.01am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Gods, not really, we're semi-sentient modes of transportation for viruses and bacteria. And footballs. (Not even semi-sentient in some cases.)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Apr 17 11.02am |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
I know a few of these. If you don't believe in God you don't believe in Heaven so you won't go there and that will be no problem for you since you have no use for such things. But if you practice bigotry, hate and vengeance and justify it by claiming it is God's will then you will have a nasty surprise on Judgement Day. I don't want to go to heaven run by a vindictive, authoritarian, trickster god. That sounds more like hell. If there is an afterlife, everyone except agnostics and atheists are probably going to be disappointed.
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| Part Time James 12 Apr 17 11.18am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm not even convinced were are our own gods, that kind of ascribes some kind of significance or importance to each of us. We're just sacks of meat and bones that support a brain, of which 8-10% is given over to the largely non-essential functions that we call 'us', the rest just regulates the system. Probably half of that part we would call us, is really operating levels of cognitive awareness. Gods, not really, we're semi-sentient modes of transportation for viruses and bacteria. Let me elaborate then. Who really judges us, drives us, sets the rules, doles out karma....? Ourselves in my opinion. Whether that's because of electrical impulses in a nervous system, chemicals, hormones...whatever, I don't care. But given that we impose our own sense of (or lack of) guilt on ourselves, then we are our own Gods. Some people want to attribute that to a deity, perhaps because they can't can't deal with the idea of being fully responsible for their own drives and behaviours and perhaps because they feel that they need the threat of a more powerful judge to keep themselves operating within guidelines they imposed upon themselves. Fair enough. But for me, God is a man made construct and therefore man himself/woman herself must be and contain the God they created. Society has taught me a rough set of guidelines for right and wrong. I have them stored within me and I can adhere to them (usually) and I can be disappointed in myself when I fail.
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