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 Dan1994  Wallington 01 Mar 17 9.00pm |
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As Palace fans, we know about what "ultras" in English football entails. Their status at the club has been debated by some as to their intentions and their importance. Generally, though, "ultras" have been shunned by some in English football for being unauthentic, cringey and not British. However, I myself have noticed their popularity tends to be higher with the younger generation. I have noticed (and was the main motivation for this thread) that other teams have started to set up their own ultras, including: Us (obviously), Boro (Red Faction), Watford (1881 Movement), Newcastle (Block D), Chesterfield (don't know their name), Lincoln (don't know name) and others in the lower non-league (Clapton). In my own opinion, I believe this to be a reaction to the poor atmospheres on display in English football at present. Due to this, I believe the culture will grow and grow. I think the main questions here are: Edited by Dan1994 (01 Mar 2017 9.03pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Mar 17 10.33pm |
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Originally posted by Dan1994
As Palace fans, we know about what "ultras" in English football entails. Their status at the club has been debated by some as to their intentions and their importance. Generally, though, "ultras" have been shunned by some in English football for being unauthentic, cringey and not British. However, I myself have noticed their popularity tends to be higher with the younger generation. I have noticed (and was the main motivation for this thread) that other teams have started to set up their own ultras, including: Us (obviously), Boro (Red Faction), Watford (1881 Movement), Newcastle (Block D), Chesterfield (don't know their name), Lincoln (don't know name) and others in the lower non-league (Clapton). In my own opinion, I believe this to be a reaction to the poor atmospheres on display in English football at present. Due to this, I believe the culture will grow and grow. I think the main questions here are: Edited by Dan1994 (01 Mar 2017 9.03pm) 1) Don't know. 2) As long as our fans don't sound like dizzy rascal it won't be too bad. 3) Because of seating and all ticket you need it to be organised to get everyone together. 4)Yes.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 02 Mar 17 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by Dan1994
I think the main questions here are: Edited by Dan1994 (01 Mar 2017 9.03pm) 1) Yes Those clubs against it tend to be clubs who can't organise their own fans. It's easier to slate the concept and pretend that all is ok whilst sitting in silence.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Mar 17 3.49pm |
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Part of me is worried that this Ultra thing will end up winding back the years to the days of firms.
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| Dan1994 Wallington 06 Mar 17 10.23pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Part of me is worried that this Ultra thing will end up winding back the years to the days of firms. This is something I have wondered too. Ultras are different throughout the continent; some appear to be non-violent whilst others are, in the same vein some are political and some not. I also think that the laws are too strict and the police are too well trained in it for it to really get like that again. And Topcat, yes I find it interesting that it seems t be the ones strapped behind a computer screen that think they're such a farce. Criticisms are fairenough, but some won't even bother trying. And Rudi, would you be against a chant using a Dizzee Rascal song, then?
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Frickin Saweet  South Cronx 07 Mar 17 2.37pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Part of me is worried that this Ultra thing will end up winding back the years to the days of firms. I really don't think that's the case. Ultras in the modern sense (millennial ultras, if you will), in England, are glorified cheerleaders dressed up as the nawty boys of old, who really aren't looking for toe-to-toe fighting, because they actually have better things to do and, lets face it, there's less pressure on these youngens to be all macho as we head towards a post-gender world. We shouldn't think of english 'ultras' as the ultras of firms of old. Think of them as 'superfans'.
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| rob1969 Banstead Surrey 08 Mar 17 4.07pm |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
I really don't think that's the case. Ultras in the modern sense (millennial ultras, if you will), in England, are glorified cheerleaders dressed up as the nawty boys of old, who really aren't looking for toe-to-toe fighting, because they actually have better things to do and, lets face it, there's less pressure on these youngens to be all macho as we head towards a post-gender world.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 08 Mar 17 4.24pm |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
I really don't think that's the case. Ultras in the modern sense (millennial ultras, if you will), in England, are glorified cheerleaders dressed up as the nawty boys of old, who really aren't looking for toe-to-toe fighting, because they actually have better things to do and, lets face it, there's less pressure on these youngens to be all macho as we head towards a post-gender world. We shouldn't think of english 'ultras' as the ultras of firms of old. Think of them as 'superfans'. In the UK I think this is right. Ultras are just fans fed up with the declining atmosphere who think it's a way of changing that. No idea about most of the continent, but certainly that isn't the case for some of Eastern European "Ultras".
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vflynn  Perth 22 Mar 17 12.33pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Part of me is worried that this Ultra thing will end up winding back the years to the days of firms. And what's so wrong with that ? Pray tell ....
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 17 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by vflynn
And what's so wrong with that ? Pray tell .... More s**ty movies about 'ooligans, talking in a mockney accent and people using phrases like 'jog on' and 'mucker'
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Mar 17 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
In the UK I think this is right. Ultras are just fans fed up with the declining atmosphere who think it's a way of changing that. No idea about most of the continent, but certainly that isn't the case for some of Eastern European "Ultras". Across Europe in general, in Italy the difference seems to have become somewhat blurred. I must admit I love the HF contribution to match day. That said I have seen a few of them 'get naughty' in the past.
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