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jamiemartin721  Reading 05 Jan 17 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by nairb75
no mention of kissinger's wars in latin america? those ones don't count? true, but not really the issue I was trying to suggest - which is that the bar of achievement should really be much higher than not starting any new wars. Of course Obama has engaged in the war on terror, and targeted assassination in violation of national soverignity across the world - which is of course a justification under UN Law for Self defence (i.e. provocation of war). The point was that even the 'worst president' of the 20th century, could claim not to have started any wars. You kind of need to actually achieve something more substantial than 'didn't start any wars and the economy recovered'. Especially given that the economy of the US almost certainly had to recover, and the US was already engaged in two conflicts. What he should probably be lauded for are his failures to get a full health care program, and attempts to implement reasonable gun control. Because I'd say the three key elements that the US really suffers from are its public educational facility, availability of health care (inc Mental health care) and a staggering issue with gun deaths.
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 nairb75  Baltimore 05 Jan 17 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
true, but not really the issue I was trying to suggest - which is that the bar of achievement should really be much higher than not starting any new wars. Of course Obama has engaged in the war on terror, and targeted assassination in violation of national soverignity across the world - which is of course a justification under UN Law for Self defence (i.e. provocation of war). The point was that even the 'worst president' of the 20th century, could claim not to have started any wars. You kind of need to actually achieve something more substantial than 'didn't start any wars and the economy recovered'. Especially given that the economy of the US almost certainly had to recover, and the US was already engaged in two conflicts. What he should probably be lauded for are his failures to get a full health care program, and attempts to implement reasonable gun control. Because I'd say the three key elements that the US really suffers from are its public educational facility, availability of health care (inc Mental health care) and a staggering issue with gun deaths. he made a terrible mistake when he came into office and wanted to try to work with the republicans. he wanted to negotiate and have 2 sides work together. they were never going to do it. so the things he could have affected were only in the 1st 2 years. then the republicans took over congress and nothing he wanted would ever go through. he should have rammed his agenda through when he had the chance but didn't do it.
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| nairb75 Baltimore 05 Jan 17 4.27pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
You want it both ways. it's nice to always have an out.
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| .TUX. 06 Jan 17 8.56am |
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Originally posted by nairb75
it's nice to always have an out. Ha I see that the IOUSA added another 100Billion worth of debt in pretty much 8hrs the other day.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 06 Jan 17 9.02am |
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100 billion in 8 hours you mean there is someone worse than my wife?
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| nairb75 Baltimore 06 Jan 17 4.47pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
100 billion in 8 hours you mean there is someone worse than my wife? amazon prime is my wife's method of bankrupting me.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 06 Jan 17 5.44pm |
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At least sfter 8 years of Obama, we are here able to discuss whether he was a good or bad President of the US. I'll be happy if after 4 years of Trump, we are in the same position.
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| Hoof Hearted 07 Jan 17 12.18pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
At least sfter 8 years of Obama, we are here able to discuss whether he was a good or bad President of the US. I'll be happy if after 4 years of Trump, we are in the same position.
Like it Peffers!
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| lindzay 26 Feb 17 3.28am |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
Did you actually read that list? There are a bunch of things in there that never actually happened. Or, if they did, were bad.
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