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Part Time James Flag 16 Dec 16 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave

Pardew or billtheglazier?

Don't think aliens are picky as long as they get to gang probe someone.

 




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Dancer Cat Flag Farnborough 16 Dec 16 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Dancer Cat Add Dancer Cat as a friend


I actually think that we've been tremendously loyal to Pardew
already - where other clubs would have been much vocal, much quicker.

Plus there is still a heavy undercurrent of emotional support wanting him to do well.

But the bottom line for me is that we need a manager who gets more than the sum of the player talents out of our squad, rather than one who seems
to be significantly underachieving the talents of our squad.

Exactly as per Kember, we need to accept he's the liability, even though his club credentials are honourable, - not go looking for excuses to exonerate him.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 16 Dec 16 2.57pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Check the injuries. Only Sunderland have more; and no-one has any longer term for key players.

Obviously, this isn't the complete answer as players like Dann are behaving uncharacteristically poorly ; and there are surprising selection / substitution / tactical decisions by Pardew.

However, being one of the less resourced club [the US money is ring-fenced for infrastructure], this surely must be a factor effecting performance. Indeed, if you see that we are not being stuffed by anyone [save Liverpool], when we look back to this slump it will hopefully be seen as a cocktail of factors including really bad luck with injuries and ref decisions rather than being wholly attributable to the sort of lazy Pardew comments made on innumerable threads on this and other sites.

 

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Dancer Cat Flag Farnborough 16 Dec 16 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Dancer Cat Add Dancer Cat as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Check the injuries. Only Sunderland have more; and no-one has any longer term for key players.

Obviously, this isn't the complete answer as players like Dann are behaving uncharacteristically poorly ; and there are surprising selection / substitution / tactical decisions by Pardew.

However, being one of the less resourced club [the US money is ring-fenced for infrastructure], this surely must be a factor effecting performance. Indeed, if you see that we are not being stuffed by anyone [save Liverpool], when we look back to this slump it will hopefully be seen as a cocktail of factors including really bad luck with injuries and ref decisions rather than being wholly attributable to the sort of lazy Pardew comments made on innumerable threads on this and other sites.

Appeasement in it's finest form.

Our injuries have not been horrific, neither have we been the victim of bad decisions consistently over the last 12 months either (more so than other clubs).

 

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billtheglazier Flag twickenham 16 Dec 16 4.15pm Send a Private Message to billtheglazier Add billtheglazier as a friend

Originally posted by iheartcpfc

what a load of the usual "I'm a proper fan" s***e. There's a lot of fans who aren't plastic at all who want him out. I'd love to see you try and say otherwise to their faces

Why would you think that I would not want to express an opinion to someone elses face?i respect peoples right to their opinions and truly do not see myself as a better or worse fan.I dont get to travel to many away games so perhaps in some opinions dont rate that highly.I am really not that concerned.What concerns me is that I do respect Pardew as a manager and fear that some of the criticisms may be based on wining be more important than the style of play.Thats my opinion and as I said earlier i am probably in the minority.But what happened at Newcastle has similarities to us except we are not such a big club as Newcastle so will I guess be limited in who would want to come and replace Pardew.

 


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eagle@ tn34 Flag hastings 16 Dec 16 4.22pm Send a Private Message to eagle@ tn34 Add eagle@ tn34 as a friend

Originally posted by Part Time James

Don't think aliens are picky as long as they get to gang probe someone.

Hang on a minute...that light show before KO was something like close encounters of the third kind. But I didnt get a gang probe ,that must have been the commotion over in the holmesdale end

 

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MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 16 Dec 16 4.54pm Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by billtheglazier

I've posted before on here about my feelings regarding my club which I have followed and supported over 50 years and my minority opinion regarding loyalty.
I am enjoying the football we are playing under Pardew, as much as the days of Johnny Byrne,Vince Hilaire,Wright and Bright but like many palace fans I do get very disappointed at seeing defensive mistakes which are often due to lack of concentration in my opinion.
in 2010 we were averaging around 14000 per home game.Now we are getting 25000 every game.
2010 I would often see people walking around Croydon in Arsenal and Chelski shirts.I wonder how many of them have changed allegiance to Palace and how many of them are anti Pardew.
I dont want Pardew to go and I certainly dont want 'Fat Sam' or Martinez.I believe that Pardew does care about Palace and even if we do get relegated should stay.Loyalty means more to me than success but I know I am in a minority.


The only loyalty in football is from fans like yourself to the club. If AP got an offer from another club for more money he would be off like a shot as do most professional managers . If we got relegated he would only be staying as no one else would want him.
That's reality.

 

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You What Flag se25 16 Dec 16 6.13pm Send a Private Message to You What Add You What as a friend

Originally posted by billtheglazier

I've posted before on here about my feelings regarding my club which I have followed and supported over 50 years and my minority opinion regarding loyalty.
I am enjoying the football we are playing under Pardew, as much as the days of Johnny Byrne,Vince Hilaire,Wright and Bright but like many palace fans I do get very disappointed at seeing defensive mistakes which are often due to lack of concentration in my opinion.
in 2010 we were averaging around 14000 per home game.Now we are getting 25000 every game.
2010 I would often see people walking around Croydon in Arsenal and Chelski shirts.I wonder how many of them have changed allegiance to Palace and how many of them are anti Pardew.
I dont want Pardew to go and I certainly dont want 'Fat Sam' or Martinez.I believe that Pardew does care about Palace and even if we do get relegated should stay.Loyalty means more to me than success but I know I am in a minority.


Loyalty is all well and good and I am in the middle about Pardew but wasn't just before this bad run that Pardew was saying he would like to manage one of the big clubs. He would of been off in a shot if things were going well and one of the top clubs came in for him. There is no loyalty in this game apart from the fans to their club.

 

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Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 16 Dec 16 6.29pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

I get what the OP is saying. He -- I'm presuming he is a he -- is harking back to a different period in football when there was greater loyalty. For him, we should be slower to divide feelings we have about our club from those we hold for the manager.

The thread headline is provocative but if he didn't say that, then it would say 'more defending Pardew' and nobody would have bothered.

Could it be that loyalty above the norm will one day reward a club of our stature? I doubt it personally.

If he took us down but discovered a profound, little-known truth of football management while in tier 2, then yes he might bring us up and even have us outperform, but very quickly he'd be looking at his next move.

For Pardew it's about money. I don't begrudge him that either.

So loyalty comes with much downside risk and little upside reward for a club of our size. Look at Watford -- they are a huge success story and they chop and change managers every 3 hours.

Like I say: it would be a sweet story and I admire the sentiment. But it's not for me, thanks.

 


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