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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 30 Apr 15 3.23pm | |
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I see your point of view.
John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said. The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe???
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ghosteagle 30 Apr 15 3.37pm | |
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I see your point of view.
John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said. The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe??? Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent.....
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 30 Apr 15 4.02pm | |
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I see your point of view.
John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said. The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe??? Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent..... And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..
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ghosteagle 30 Apr 15 4.08pm | |
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I see your point of view.
John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said. The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe??? Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent..... And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 30 Apr 15 7.51pm | |
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Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 12.20pm
I see your point of view.
John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said. The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe??? Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent..... And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..
Just WHAT are you on ????? Edited by susmik (30 Apr 2015 7.53pm)
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TheJudge 30 Apr 15 9.44pm | |
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It's a reasonable argument and I accept that Catholicism has been involved in regional conflicts at various times. Hovever we are talking about the hear and now and right now the security threat to the West comes from Islamic terrorists. Now you can argue that there are other players in the terrorism game and that not all Muslims are terrorists and all those well trodden truisms but ultimately, that did not help Charlie Hebdo or the people on that bus on 7/7 or the people in the WTC on 9/11 or those people beheaded or burned in the middle East or Lee Rigby and so on. My point is simple. It's easy to be reasonable and liberal until the bad stuff is on your doorstep or happens to someone you care about. You are absolutely right. The Muslim community should not be blamed, persecuted or demonised in the current climate, but among their number are people who wish harm on the West and when push comes to shove my only loyalty is to my family. Their safety trumps any thoughts of worrying about the plight of Islam. I make no apology for that.
The irony of course is that the biggest asset to anti-terrorist services in the UK is that same community. Of course among any number of communities exist a number of threats to your family that are far more realistic threats in terms of occurrence than acts of terror (Murder itself is really uncommon, murder by terrorist action as a threat is almost non-existant). In some ways we need to be careful that we don't fall into the fear trap, where we're creating more radicalization by our actions to prevent radicalization and terrorism. An analogue of this is peoples fear of 'pedophile abductions' meaning they leave their kids with friends and family members, who statistically are the most prevalent of child sex offenders. In the pursuit of security and safety, its vital to ensure that the actions we take do not create greater problems or threats. Internment in NI served the IRA far more than it served the Government.
No one has been killed by terrorism and pedophiles don't exist. Edited by TheJudge (30 Apr 2015 9.48pm)
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imbored UK 30 Apr 15 9.52pm | |
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Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 11.40pm
It's a reasonable argument and I accept that Catholicism has been involved in regional conflicts at various times. Hovever we are talking about the hear and now and right now the security threat to the West comes from Islamic terrorists. Now you can argue that there are other players in the terrorism game and that not all Muslims are terrorists and all those well trodden truisms but ultimately, that did not help Charlie Hebdo or the people on that bus on 7/7 or the people in the WTC on 9/11 or those people beheaded or burned in the middle East or Lee Rigby and so on. My point is simple. It's easy to be reasonable and liberal until the bad stuff is on your doorstep or happens to someone you care about. You are absolutely right. The Muslim community should not be blamed, persecuted or demonised in the current climate, but among their number are people who wish harm on the West and when push comes to shove my only loyalty is to my family. Their safety trumps any thoughts of worrying about the plight of Islam. I make no apology for that.
The irony of course is that the biggest asset to anti-terrorist services in the UK is that same community. Of course among any number of communities exist a number of threats to your family that are far more realistic threats in terms of occurrence than acts of terror (Murder itself is really uncommon, murder by terrorist action as a threat is almost non-existant). In some ways we need to be careful that we don't fall into the fear trap, where we're creating more radicalization by our actions to prevent radicalization and terrorism. An analogue of this is peoples fear of 'pedophile abductions' meaning they leave their kids with friends and family members, who statistically are the most prevalent of child sex offenders. In the pursuit of security and safety, its vital to ensure that the actions we take do not create greater problems or threats. Internment in NI served the IRA far more than it served the Government.
No one has been killed by terrorism and pedophiles don't exist. He didn't say it's not real, he suggested that our response should be adequate and in proportion to the threat. Also that supposed solutions to one problem create another. We know this.
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legaleagle 30 Apr 15 9.54pm | |
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He made a reasoned point,worthy of a reasoned response...
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derben 01 May 15 4.36pm | |
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Here is an entertaining view on Islamophobia.
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ghosteagle 01 May 15 4.47pm | |
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Quote legaleagle at 28 Apr 2015 9.16pm
Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 12.20pm
I see your point of view.
John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said. The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe??? Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent..... And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..
Just WHAT are you on ????? Edited by susmik (30 Apr 2015 7.53pm) Apologies for my hysterical response, but i found your ignorance of the man amusing. What i was inferring was that the man is a far right-wing neo-con politician with no regard for human life. I therefore will not be reading his book or listening to anything he or his organisation care to spout.
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 01 May 15 8.43pm | |
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Quote ghosteagle at 01 May 2015 4.47pm
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Quote ghosteagle at 30 Apr 2015 3.37pm
Quote susmik at 30 Apr 2015 3.23pm
Quote ghosteagle at 30 Apr 2015 1.33pm
Quote susmik at 30 Apr 2015 1.28pm
Quote reborn at 29 Apr 2015 5.20pm
Quote legaleagle at 28 Apr 2015 9.16pm
Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 12.20pm
I see your point of view.
John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said. The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe??? Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent..... And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..
Just WHAT are you on ????? Edited by susmik (30 Apr 2015 7.53pm) Apologies for my hysterical response, but i found your ignorance of the man amusing. What i was inferring was that the man is a far right-wing neo-con politician with no regard for human life. I therefore will not be reading his book or listening to anything he or his organisation care to spout. Edited by ghosteagle (01 May 2015 4.49pm)
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TheJudge 02 May 15 9.45am | |
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Quote ghosteagle at 30 Apr 2015 1.33pm
Quote susmik at 30 Apr 2015 1.28pm
Quote reborn at 29 Apr 2015 5.20pm
Quote legaleagle at 28 Apr 2015 9.16pm
Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 12.20pm
I see your point of view.
John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said. The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe??? Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent..... And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..
Just WHAT are you on ????? Edited by susmik (30 Apr 2015 7.53pm) Apologies for my hysterical response, but i found your ignorance of the man amusing. What i was inferring was that the man is a far right-wing neo-con politician with no regard for human life. I therefore will not be reading his book or listening to anything he or his organisation care to spout.
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