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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Jan 17 12.18pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Close, but er.. no..

cigar.

Nah, that was Clinton.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Jan 17 12.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The idea that everyone pulled together during the war is a bit of romanticising. Churchill was not even that popular with many of the working class during the war, not just after.

Obviously, not everyone, but by and large, the people who actually won the war wasn't limited to just Churchill. For example, the people who actually fought and were drafted.

Oddly, WWII was the busiest time for the Flying Squad in the UK. Looting and black marketering were rampant - of course some people who were looting were also people who'd previously been bombed out etc.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Obviously, not everyone, but by and large, the people who actually won the war wasn't limited to just Churchill. For example, the people who actually fought and were drafted.

Oddly, WWII was the busiest time for the Flying Squad in the UK. Looting and black marketering were rampant - of course some people who were looting were also people who'd previously been bombed out etc.

Spot on JM721. Crime was pretty rampant during WW2, as well as those hiding to evade the call-up.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (31 Jan 2017 1.32pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Jan 17 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Spot on JM721. Crime was pretty rampant during WW2, as well as those hiding to evade the call-up.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (31 Jan 2017 1.32pm)

Pressure on the economy and rationing meant increased crime and black market activity. There were also strikes.

Us Brits don't let a little thing like a world war get in the way of "business".

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Jan 17 2.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Pressure on the economy and rationing meant increased crime and black market activity. There were also strikes.

Us Brits don't let a little thing like a world war get in the way of "business".

My family were involved in the black market in London, it was really the only way to survive after being bombed out three times in the blitz.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

My family were involved in the black market in London, it was really the only way to survive after being bombed out three times in the blitz.

We all gotta eat.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We all gotta eat.

And you didn't even need to bother going round smashing windows and damaging cars. That was already happening......

 


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Joe Bloggs Flag Nr Norwich 31 Jan 17 6.48pm Send a Private Message to Joe Bloggs Add Joe Bloggs as a friend

People did help each other,our family,parents and three kids, gave two of the three bedrooms to a lady bombed out of her home. we also took in a girl from Liverpool for one night who stole my dads wallet,so we were very helpful....bin dippers even then!

The common parlance for people engaged in sharp or shady practise was spivs often known to wear wideboy ties, often worn by the comedian Arthur English.

Aside from bombing the other delights included dried egg powder. bread and dripping and (pom) potato powder something akin to glue.

 

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Hoof Hearted 01 Feb 17 11.47am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

My family were involved in the black market in London, it was really the only way to survive after being bombed out three times in the blitz.

my grandad died in a PoW camp during WWII......... he fell out of one of the guard towers and broke his neck.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 01 Feb 17 12.36pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

my grandad died in a PoW camp during WWII......... he fell out of one of the guard towers and broke his neck.

A classic!

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

1. What podcast is that then? Do you have a link?

Why use the praised Stalin line? If you had any idea how factionalised the left is you'd know it's a trite comment that is indicitive of a lack of thiought or imagination. Do you realise how many of the left don't give a monkeys about Trotskyism, stalinism, marxism etc, they just want to see a society that gives everyone a chance and makes sure everyone is looked after. Not exactly revolutionary is it?
2. If you'd rather speak German? Did you really mean to type that? Are you really saying you think that there are people in the UK who wished we weren't victorious in the war? We have seen fascistic tendencies all across europe and arguably in the USA. We fought against facism. In fact I find it odd that certain organisations on the right use the hero soldier angle and poppy quite often. Ironic given that they symbolise remembering and saluting the heroes that helped defeat fascism.

Back to Churchill. Again no argument from me about his importance and role in defeating Germany, but nobody is perfect. It's right that his role in the Indian famine and seeming racism is not swept under the carpet.

Edited by nickgusset (30 Jan 2017 11.36pm)

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That was the alternative. It's only a victory in retrospect. If it were 1943 again people would be signing a petition against bombing the poor people of Hamburg.

 

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kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 05 Feb 17 2.08am Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

Having read through many of these posts as well as having read many bios, pro and anti, about Churchill for me he took over the government after the Tories had allowed GB to go to war completely unprepared while ignoring his warnings and managed to keep the country together for virtually a year and a half without allies (but with the Commonwealth countries) until Germany invaded the USSR and the US came in (better late than never). He was also saddled with many of Chamberlain's people in the beginning, especially Lord Halifax, who wanted to negotiate with the Nazis after the fall of France.. Fortunately, Churchill sent his sorry butt over here as ambassador. I agree that not enough is said of Labour's participation in his War Cabinet, for it was Labour and the Liberals that were his main support in the early days of his leadership.

As to the 1945 election, there hadn't been one for 10 years and many were angry with the Tory MPs who they saw as primarily responsible for the destruction Britain suffered. Many when polled said if they could they would have Churchill Prime Minister with a Labour majority.

A politician who lasted as long as Churchill will be right some of the time and wrong some of the time on the issues. Two that come to my American mind are supporting the Duke of Windsor during the 1936 abdication crises (even his wife told him to shut up) and opposing the independence of India. Gallipoli was possibly a good idea gone bad, as was Norway due to the lack of forces and equipment necessary to do the job. On balance, name me ten American or British politicians who can match Churchill's record, especially his power of oratory. These days, 99.9999999% of them can't even put one decent sentence together. Imagine what they would do with "blood, toil, tears and sweat" or "Never in the field of human conflict..." They'd probably spew about a thousand multi-syllabic words that mean absolutely nothing.

 


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