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 Phil O'Sophical  17 Jan 16 11.21am |
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Quote Willo at 15 Jan 2016 11.54am
Quote Phil O'Sophical at 15 Jan 2016 11.49am
The separation of CPFC from Selhurst Park set the club back three decades and that's entirely down to him. Noades had said that if the ground deal had not been separate, city investors would have meant CPFC losing the ground after the Goldberg "Administration".
Not sure what you mean. Noades split the club from the ground in 1986 so SP had been owned separately by Noades for over 10 years before Goldberg came along. Noades would have sold the club and ground to Goldberg for an extortionate amount but Goldberg didn't have enough funds, so instead agreed to buy just the club for a reported £22.8 million. Noades continued to own the ground, so I'm not sure how City investors come into it.
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| Hoof Hearted 17 Jan 16 11.53am | |
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Quote Phil O'Sophical at 17 Jan 2016 11.21am
Quote Willo at 15 Jan 2016 11.54am
Quote Phil O'Sophical at 15 Jan 2016 11.49am
The separation of CPFC from Selhurst Park set the club back three decades and that's entirely down to him. Noades had said that if the ground deal had not been separate, city investors would have meant CPFC losing the ground after the Goldberg "Administration".
Not sure what you mean. Noades split the club from the ground in 1986 so SP had been owned separately by Noades for over 10 years before Goldberg came along. Noades would have sold the club and ground to Goldberg for an extortionate amount but Goldberg didn't have enough funds, so instead agreed to buy just the club for a reported £22.8 million. Noades continued to own the ground, so I'm not sure how City investors come into it.
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| sydtheeagle England 19 Jan 16 8.53am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Jan 2016 11.53am
Quote Phil O'Sophical at 17 Jan 2016 11.21am
Quote Willo at 15 Jan 2016 11.54am
Quote Phil O'Sophical at 15 Jan 2016 11.49am
The separation of CPFC from Selhurst Park set the club back three decades and that's entirely down to him. Noades had said that if the ground deal had not been separate, city investors would have meant CPFC losing the ground after the Goldberg "Administration".
Not sure what you mean. Noades split the club from the ground in 1986 so SP had been owned separately by Noades for over 10 years before Goldberg came along. Noades would have sold the club and ground to Goldberg for an extortionate amount but Goldberg didn't have enough funds, so instead agreed to buy just the club for a reported £22.8 million. Noades continued to own the ground, so I'm not sure how City investors come into it.
Actually, Willo isn't talking out of his arse. He's not even giving an opinion. He is simply quoting what Noades said, and Noades did indeed say what Willo has quoted. Willo's own opinion isn't even given. In this case you can say Noades was talking out his arse. But not Willo.
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| Hoof Hearted 19 Jan 16 11.05am | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2016 8.53am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Jan 2016 11.53am
Quote Phil O'Sophical at 17 Jan 2016 11.21am
Quote Willo at 15 Jan 2016 11.54am
Quote Phil O'Sophical at 15 Jan 2016 11.49am
The separation of CPFC from Selhurst Park set the club back three decades and that's entirely down to him. Noades had said that if the ground deal had not been separate, city investors would have meant CPFC losing the ground after the Goldberg "Administration".
Not sure what you mean. Noades split the club from the ground in 1986 so SP had been owned separately by Noades for over 10 years before Goldberg came along. Noades would have sold the club and ground to Goldberg for an extortionate amount but Goldberg didn't have enough funds, so instead agreed to buy just the club for a reported £22.8 million. Noades continued to own the ground, so I'm not sure how City investors come into it.
Actually, Willo isn't talking out of his arse. He's not even giving an opinion. He is simply quoting what Noades said, and Noades did indeed say what Willo has quoted. Willo's own opinion isn't even given. In this case you can say Noades was talking out his arse. But not Willo. Edited by sydtheeagle (19 Jan 2016 8.54am)
If Noades did say it then you and Willo are right of course.
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collier row eagle  romford essex via another galaxy 19 Jan 16 11.27am |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 08 Jan 2016 1.55pm
It's almost impossible to reduce Ron to a simple "good" or "bad" answer. Every time you find something he did wrong, you find something very right. Every time you find a reason to like him, you find one to hate him. A complex character whose reign at Palace is very, very difficult to summarise but I would say that in the end, there is more good than bad. It would be interesting to research and write his biography not least to weigh the evidence properly and see where it led you. It's interesting, though, that pretty much everyone beatifies Steve Coppell as the living example of "Mr. Palace" and Coppell is clearly in the pro-Noades camp. How can it be that most disagree with their greatest hero? I've always been on the pro-Ron side of the fence (although I'm more sanguine about him than I used to be.) No matter what else, he was a visionary and one of the more interesting people to populate the football landscape over the past quarter century. It is very hard to believe Palace would have been better off without him. Excellent post.
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| Mr Palaceman 19 Jan 16 12.28pm |
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Quote Phil O'Sophical at 15 Jan 2016 11.49am
The underlying hatred of Noades goes back to the fact that he was a property developer and chancer who seemed to have his own interests at heart rather than those of the club. When he was Chairman of Wimbledon it was him who originally proposed moving Wimbledon to Milton Keynes in the 70's, but that failed. Then he bought Palace from wrecker Bloye and turned up as Palace Chairman, never having previously been a fan. He was part of that club of 80's property developers who tried to split the club from their ground with a view to developing the ground to reap the rewards. It started with the Sunley building family who bought Charlton and split the club from the Valley. They then agreed a groundshare with Palace, where Noades had split CPFC from the ground. The plan was then to redevelop the Valley, build a new stadium (heaven knows where) to hold both Charlton and Palace and move Palace out of Selhurst Park and redevelop it. To their credit, Charlton fans started a local political party, the Valley Party, and actually got enough votes to win a seat and unseat the Labour Chairman of the Planning Committee. As a result, and very fortunately for us, Greenwich Council threw out the plans to redevelop the Valley and the whole plan unravelled. Charlton reunited the club and the ground in 1988 but for us it would take many years more. Wimbledon did ultimately succumb to property speculation when they were split from their ground by Sam Hammam who walked away with £36million having paid £41000 for the club. Their ground was sold to Safeway for redevelopment and the club sold to Norwegians who, ironically, moved the club to Milton Keynes. The irony with Noades was that (unwittingly?) he kept appointing managers who brought the club great success - first Dave Bassett at Wimbledon and then Saint Steve at Palace. Even he turned out to be a good manager appointing himself manager at Brentford and winning promotion at the first attempt, winning the Manager of the Year Award for Division Three in 1999! But the bottom line is he was a property chancer who moved from club to club to make money for himself and finally did so out of Mark Goldberg rather than redevelopment. The 'reorganisation' of Palace he undertook in the 80's is now classified as an Administration by the Football League, so basically we have been bust three times and the first one's down to him. The separation of CPFC from Selhurst Park set the club back three decades and that's entirely down to him. Thankfully, under Steve Parish, we now seem to be making up for those lost years and more to become the great club that we should be. That was a very interesting read. Thank you.
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Kermit8  Hevon 19 Jan 16 7.27pm |
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Noades wanted to kill Palace and merge us with Wimbledon back in 84-ish which tells us how much of a fan he really was. A few demos put an end to that idea.
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| Hoof Hearted 22 Jan 16 11.51am | |
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Quote Mr Palaceman at 19 Jan 2016 12.28pm
Quote Phil O'Sophical at 15 Jan 2016 11.49am
The underlying hatred of Noades goes back to the fact that he was a property developer and chancer who seemed to have his own interests at heart rather than those of the club. When he was Chairman of Wimbledon it was him who originally proposed moving Wimbledon to Milton Keynes in the 70's, but that failed. Then he bought Palace from wrecker Bloye and turned up as Palace Chairman, never having previously been a fan. He was part of that club of 80's property developers who tried to split the club from their ground with a view to developing the ground to reap the rewards. It started with the Sunley building family who bought Charlton and split the club from the Valley. They then agreed a groundshare with Palace, where Noades had split CPFC from the ground. The plan was then to redevelop the Valley, build a new stadium (heaven knows where) to hold both Charlton and Palace and move Palace out of Selhurst Park and redevelop it. To their credit, Charlton fans started a local political party, the Valley Party, and actually got enough votes to win a seat and unseat the Labour Chairman of the Planning Committee. As a result, and very fortunately for us, Greenwich Council threw out the plans to redevelop the Valley and the whole plan unravelled. Charlton reunited the club and the ground in 1988 but for us it would take many years more. Wimbledon did ultimately succumb to property speculation when they were split from their ground by Sam Hammam who walked away with £36million having paid £41000 for the club. Their ground was sold to Safeway for redevelopment and the club sold to Norwegians who, ironically, moved the club to Milton Keynes. The irony with Noades was that (unwittingly?) he kept appointing managers who brought the club great success - first Dave Bassett at Wimbledon and then Saint Steve at Palace. Even he turned out to be a good manager appointing himself manager at Brentford and winning promotion at the first attempt, winning the Manager of the Year Award for Division Three in 1999! But the bottom line is he was a property chancer who moved from club to club to make money for himself and finally did so out of Mark Goldberg rather than redevelopment. The 'reorganisation' of Palace he undertook in the 80's is now classified as an Administration by the Football League, so basically we have been bust three times and the first one's down to him. The separation of CPFC from Selhurst Park set the club back three decades and that's entirely down to him. Thankfully, under Steve Parish, we now seem to be making up for those lost years and more to become the great club that we should be. That was a very interesting read. Thank you. It was.... just to reinforce the sentiment that Noades cared little for our club - it was well documented that he was syphoning off money from CPFC to his Golf Clubs by holding meetings and Christmas Parties and functions for Palace at said Golf Clubs at extortionate rates/fees. There was something dodgy going on with Hermann Hreidarsson too. Noades signed him for us and when he left he then bought him for Brentford for £750K and then sold him on a year later to Wimbledon for £2.5M.... I'm not sure but thought either Ron or his wife was Hermann's agent too? All a bit dodgy if you ask me! I think Noades made a pretty penny out of his tenure and dealings with Palace. Everyone moans about Jordan and Goldberg but both were fans and did their dough pursuing their dreams whereas Noades was just an asset stripper.
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