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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 31 Jul 24 1.04pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Why doesn't comparing two protests make sense? If you want to compare two protests, compare the incident in Southport with the incident in Leeds. The latter involved the authorities trying to take some children into care; the former was in response to at least three children being knifed to death. The Southport response seems quite restrained compared with the Leeds one, yet nobody died in Leeds. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines

Sussex 31 Jul 24 1.04pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Why doesn't comparing two protests make sense?

If you want to compare two protests, compare the incident in Southport with the incident in Leeds. The latter involved the authorities trying to take some children into care; the former was in response to at least three children being knifed to death. The Southport response seems quite restrained compared with the Leeds one, yet nobody died in Leeds.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 31 Jul 24 1.11pm
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines If you want to compare two protests, compare the incident in Southport with the incident in Leeds. The latter involved the authorities trying to take some children into care; the former was in response to at least three children being knifed to death. The Southport response seems quite restrained compared with the Leeds one, yet nobody died in Leeds. That doesn't answer my question - you just seem to be agreeing that you can in fact compare protests. I don't agree there was much restrained about yesterday.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 31 Jul 24 1.11pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

That doesn't answer my question - you just seem to be agreeing that you can in fact compare protests.

I don't agree there was much restrained about yesterday.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Jul 24 1.32pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I agree, and that's essentially what I'm getting at. Labour/Tory parties of Law and Order. Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. Monty Python at their best. Red and Blue Army!

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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Jul 24 1.32pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I agree, and that's essentially what I'm getting at.

Labour/Tory parties of Law and Order. Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. Monty Python at their best.

Red and Blue Army!

Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 31 Jul 24 2.42pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I don't think it's a desirable outcome, but I also don't think it warrants a 5-year prison sentence. How many emergency services do you think were delayed last night? Reports of 50+ police officers suffering injuries, major damage to public property... there's no logic that says blocking traffic is worse than that, but I've no doubt the sentences won't come close. That's my point. My view is that the protests blocking motorways are effectively forcibly imprisoning thousands of motorists. A five year sentence seems lenient where people have been involved in previous protests and warned. An alternative would be for some form of class action against the individuals or the organisation involved. They will have no money to pay of course, but winding up orders against JSO etc. would be fun to watch. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines

Sussex 31 Jul 24 2.42pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don't think it's a desirable outcome, but I also don't think it warrants a 5-year prison sentence.

How many emergency services do you think were delayed last night? Reports of 50+ police officers suffering injuries, major damage to public property... there's no logic that says blocking traffic is worse than that, but I've no doubt the sentences won't come close.

That's my point.

My view is that the protests blocking motorways are effectively forcibly imprisoning thousands of motorists. A five year sentence seems lenient where people have been involved in previous protests and warned. An alternative would be for some form of class action against the individuals or the organisation involved. They will have no money to pay of course, but winding up orders against JSO etc. would be fun to watch.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 31 Jul 24 2.55pm
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines My view is that the protests blocking motorways are effectively forcibly imprisoning thousands of motorists. A five year sentence seems lenient where people have been involved in previous protests and warned. An alternative would be for some form of class action against the individuals or the organisation involved. They will have no money to pay of course, but winding up orders against JSO etc. would be fun to watch. And my view is that attacking the police, smashing the s*** out of a town and vandalising public and private property is a far worse offence, and that's without me inventing dramatic descriptions of what they're doing.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 31 Jul 24 2.55pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

And my view is that attacking the police, smashing the s*** out of a town and vandalising public and private property is a far worse offence, and that's without me inventing dramatic descriptions of what they're doing.

CrazyBadger Ware 31 Jul 24 3.19pm
There is no reason whatsoever for either scenes we saw at Leeds or Southport. Violence and Burning buses/cars/anything is almost always unjustifiable and should be met with whatever the courts can throw at them. Repeat offenders should be given heavier sentences. There seems to be a growing problem where this Country does not have the capacity or capability to deal with these societal issues. I'm sure you can blame that on a multitude of things; less police, crowded prisons, social media incitement or general disdain for the rule. Whatever the issue, this country is going to sh*t. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Ware 31 Jul 24 3.19pm

There is no reason whatsoever for either scenes we saw at Leeds or Southport. Violence and Burning buses/cars/anything is almost always unjustifiable and should be met with whatever the courts can throw at them. Repeat offenders should be given heavier sentences.

There seems to be a growing problem where this Country does not have the capacity or capability to deal with these societal issues. I'm sure you can blame that on a multitude of things; less police, crowded prisons, social media incitement or general disdain for the rule.
Whatever the issue, this country is going to sh*t.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 31 Jul 24 4.53pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow And my view is that attacking the police, smashing the s*** out of a town and vandalising public and private property is a far worse offence, and that's without me inventing dramatic descriptions of what they're doing. Perhaps the police should have stepped back like they did in Leeds initially. I didn't say I agreed with the Southport riot, I implied that I could understand why it happened due to the perceived inbalance that the authorities apply to different situations involving different segments of the community. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines

Sussex 31 Jul 24 4.53pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Perhaps the police should have stepped back like they did in Leeds initially. I didn't say I agreed with the Southport riot, I implied that I could understand why it happened due to the perceived inbalance that the authorities apply to different situations involving different segments of the community.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

HKOwen Hong Kong 31 Jul 24 10.50pm
I have a premonition I will be at a UK airport carrying hot coffee in each hand will stumble over JSO cultisys and my coffee will go all over them. Hope it doesn't come true, what a waste of coffee Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 31 Jul 24 10.50pm

I have a premonition I will be at a UK airport carrying hot coffee in each hand will stumble over JSO cultisys and my coffee will go all over them. Hope it doesn't come true, what a waste of coffee

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Aug 24 11.36am
The woman awaiting a likely custodial term for throwing souo on the Van Gogh was at it again spraying paint at Heathrow. She is literally sticking up two fingers to our justice system. Fingers crossed she get consecutive not concurrent jail time. She thinks she is better than everyone else, kind of a climate cultist version of Wisbech on here Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 01 Aug 24 11.36am

The woman awaiting a likely custodial term for throwing souo on the Van Gogh was at it again spraying paint at Heathrow. She is literally sticking up two fingers to our justice system.

Fingers crossed she get consecutive not concurrent jail time.

She thinks she is better than everyone else, kind of a climate cultist version of Wisbech on here

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 02 Aug 24 5.10pm
I think we could maybe look at adopting the Nigerian model of policing , which has always seemed a bit moderate and liberal for my liking "Millions of residents in northern Nigeria have been placed under 24-hour curfews amid nationwide protests against the high cost of living. Governments in the states of Kano, Jigawa, Yobe and Katsina have ordered locals not to leave their homes - and therefore not attend protests - on Friday. The authorities say the curfew is necessary because "hoodlums" have hijacked the protests in order to loot and vandalise properties. Police fired live bullets and tear gas - and sprayed hot water - to try and disperse thousands of demonstrators. Three people were shot dead and many others were injured." I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 02 Aug 24 5.10pm

I think we could maybe look at adopting the Nigerian model of policing , which has always seemed a bit moderate and liberal for my liking

"Millions of residents in northern Nigeria have been placed under 24-hour curfews amid nationwide protests against the high cost of living.

Governments in the states of Kano, Jigawa, Yobe and Katsina have ordered locals not to leave their homes - and therefore not attend protests - on Friday.

The authorities say the curfew is necessary because "hoodlums" have hijacked the protests in order to loot and vandalise properties.
Police fired live bullets and tear gas - and sprayed hot water - to try and disperse thousands of demonstrators. Three people were shot dead and many others were injured."

I disengage, I turn the page.

HKOwen Hong Kong 03 Aug 24 12.22am
Some good news after a turbulent week. A judge has rebuked 'blase' Just Stop Oil protesters as he jailed them for an M25 blockade which caused 50,000 hours of delays and forced a man to miss his father's funeral. Judge Shane Collery told the defendants as he handed down the sentences that their behaviour was 'disproportionate to your aims' - a fortnight after JSO co-founder Roger Hallam was given a five-year prison term. Mr Collery said it was 'easy to be blase when it's not your life that's disrupted', as he gave two-year sentences to George Simonson, 24, of Leeds, and 26-year-old Theresa Higginson of Biggleswade, Bedfordshire. Paul Bell, 24, of Exeter, was jailed for one year and 10 months, while Gaie Delap, 77, of Bristol, and 73-year-old Paul Sousek of Bude in Cornwall, were jailed for one year and eight months. The judge told Delap: ‘Age, I regret, has not brought wisdom.’ Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 03 Aug 24 12.22am

Some good news after a turbulent week.

A judge has rebuked 'blase' Just Stop Oil protesters as he jailed them for an M25 blockade which caused 50,000 hours of delays and forced a man to miss his father's funeral.

Judge Shane Collery told the defendants as he handed down the sentences that their behaviour was 'disproportionate to your aims' - a fortnight after JSO co-founder Roger Hallam was given a five-year prison term.

Mr Collery said it was 'easy to be blase when it's not your life that's disrupted', as he gave two-year sentences to George Simonson, 24, of Leeds, and 26-year-old Theresa Higginson of Biggleswade, Bedfordshire.
Paul Bell, 24, of Exeter, was jailed for one year and 10 months, while Gaie Delap, 77, of Bristol, and 73-year-old Paul Sousek of Bude in Cornwall, were jailed for one year and eight months.

The judge told Delap: ‘Age, I regret, has not brought wisdom.’

Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 03 Aug 24 1.52pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Some good news after a turbulent week. A judge has rebuked 'blase' Just Stop Oil protesters as he jailed them for an M25 blockade which caused 50,000 hours of delays and forced a man to miss his father's funeral. Judge Shane Collery told the defendants as he handed down the sentences that their behaviour was 'disproportionate to your aims' - a fortnight after JSO co-founder Roger Hallam was given a five-year prison term. Mr Collery said it was 'easy to be blase when it's not your life that's disrupted', as he gave two-year sentences to George Simonson, 24, of Leeds, and 26-year-old Theresa Higginson of Biggleswade, Bedfordshire. Paul Bell, 24, of Exeter, was jailed for one year and 10 months, while Gaie Delap, 77, of Bristol, and 73-year-old Paul Sousek of Bude in Cornwall, were jailed for one year and eight months. The judge told Delap: ‘Age, I regret, has not brought wisdom.’ ECHR likely to get an appeal lodged with them on the jailing of peaceful political protesters and therefore I expect them to get released (probably with compensation for unlawful arrest/imprisonment). So, what does Sir Kneel Starmer do: withdraw the UK from the ECHR or accept that various protest groups will be queuing up on the hard shoulder to make their peaceful protest? He is going to be pushed into a corner if that happens but he can always blame far right thugs as the root cause of all the UK’s problems. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines

Sussex 03 Aug 24 1.52pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Some good news after a turbulent week.

A judge has rebuked 'blase' Just Stop Oil protesters as he jailed them for an M25 blockade which caused 50,000 hours of delays and forced a man to miss his father's funeral.

The judge told Delap: ‘Age, I regret, has not brought wisdom.’

ECHR likely to get an appeal lodged with them on the jailing of peaceful political protesters and therefore I expect them to get released (probably with compensation for unlawful arrest/imprisonment). So, what does Sir Kneel Starmer do: withdraw the UK from the ECHR or accept that various protest groups will be queuing up on the hard shoulder to make their peaceful protest? He is going to be pushed into a corner if that happens but he can always blame far right thugs as the root cause of all the UK’s problems.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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