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The Dolphin 24 Jul 24 10.31am
Labour have an opportunity - as did Tony Blair - to get things right and stay in power for a long time. I know it is early days but Ed Milliband has already shown how useless he is, One Knee has decided to suspend MP's who actually believe in something and Yvette Cooper is going to allow even greater immigration (many criminals in that lot)than the Tories. Add to that a State education system that is soon to be crippled by an influx of private school kids and apparently in mid year - absolutely nuts. Millionaires leaving by the thousand so effectively politics of envy will bring less money into the coffers - Labour never fails to understand that one - they always cock it up. If they continue in this vein we will be finished by Christmas. Edited by The Dolphin (24 Jul 2024 10.37am)
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24 Jul 24 10.31am

Labour have an opportunity - as did Tony Blair - to get things right and stay in power for a long time.
I know it is early days but Ed Milliband has already shown how useless he is, One Knee has decided to suspend MP's who actually believe in something and Yvette Cooper is going to allow even greater immigration (many criminals in that lot)than the Tories.
Add to that a State education system that is soon to be crippled by an influx of private school kids and apparently in mid year - absolutely nuts.
Millionaires leaving by the thousand so effectively politics of envy will bring less money into the coffers - Labour never fails to understand that one - they always cock it up.
If they continue in this vein we will be finished by Christmas.

Edited by The Dolphin (24 Jul 2024 10.37am)

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The Dolphin 24 Jul 24 10.34am
On the two child cap. I truly believe that it should stay in place but that they should ensure that they deal with the problem that already exists. The only families with more than two, who can't afford it, are generally historical I would have thought and I just hate the thought of kids going hungry and so on - it is unacceptable. The State cannot look after everyone but we must be able to help those in difficulties now.
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The Dolphin

24 Jul 24 10.34am

On the two child cap.
I truly believe that it should stay in place but that they should ensure that they deal with the problem that already exists.
The only families with more than two, who can't afford it, are generally historical I would have thought and I just hate the thought of kids going hungry and so on - it is unacceptable.
The State cannot look after everyone but we must be able to help those in difficulties now.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Jul 24 10.57am
Originally posted by The Dolphin On the two child cap. I truly believe that it should stay in place but that they should ensure that they deal with the problem that already exists. The only families with more than two, who can't afford it, are generally historical I would have thought and I just hate the thought of kids going hungry and so on - it is unacceptable. The State cannot look after everyone but we must be able to help those in difficulties now. We have to encourage British people to have more children, but at the same time, the cost of welfare payments is far too high. Truthfully, responsible parents tend to produce more responsible children. We need a generation who are better equipped for employment and social responsibility. Those that sponge off the state are less likely to produce productive offspring. There are always exceptions of course.
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24 Jul 24 10.57am

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Originally posted by The Dolphin

We have to encourage British people to have more children, but at the same time, the cost of welfare payments is far too high.

Truthfully, responsible parents tend to produce more responsible children. We need a generation who are better equipped for employment and social responsibility.
Those that sponge off the state are less likely to produce productive offspring. There are always exceptions of course.

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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Jul 24 11.17am
It is not a matter of cost but what society you want to live in, it is also immoral to drive children into poverty with all its consequences. And all the problems caused will have to be picked up by in other ways by other agencies, it is actually exprensive to make people poor, a typical mindless austerity policy. Starmer was lucky the voters were desperate to get rid of the tories, he actually performed worse than Corbyn in votes cast. He and his chancellors argument is b****x, which is why they have resorted to this.
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Croydon 24 Jul 24 11.17am

It is not a matter of cost but what society you want to live in, it is also immoral to drive children into poverty with all its consequences.

And all the problems caused will have to be picked up by in other ways by other agencies, it is actually exprensive to make people poor, a typical mindless austerity policy.

Starmer was lucky the voters were desperate to get rid of the tories, he actually performed worse than Corbyn in votes cast.

He and his chancellors argument is b****x, which is why they have resorted to this.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Jul 24 11.20am
Originally posted by steeleye20 It is not a matter of cost but what society you want to live in, it is also immoral to drive children into poverty with all its consequences. And all the problems caused will have to be picked up by in other ways by other agencies, it is actually exprensive to make people poor, a typical mindless austerity policy. Starmer was lucky the voters were desperate to get rid of the tories, he actually performed worse than Corbyn in votes cast. He and his chancellors argument is b****x, which is why they have resorted to this. We can never be left wing enough for you can we.
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Hrolf The Ganger

24 Jul 24 11.20am

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is not a matter of cost but what society you want to live in, it is also immoral to drive children into poverty with all its consequences.

And all the problems caused will have to be picked up by in other ways by other agencies, it is actually exprensive to make people poor, a typical mindless austerity policy.

Starmer was lucky the voters were desperate to get rid of the tories, he actually performed worse than Corbyn in votes cast.

He and his chancellors argument is b****x, which is why they have resorted to this.

We can never be left wing enough for you can we.

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The Dolphin 24 Jul 24 12.06pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It is not a matter of cost but what society you want to live in, it is also immoral to drive children into poverty with all its consequences. And all the problems caused will have to be picked up by in other ways by other agencies, it is actually exprensive to make people poor, a typical mindless austerity policy. Starmer was lucky the voters were desperate to get rid of the tories, he actually performed worse than Corbyn in votes cast. He and his chancellors argument is b****x, which is why they have resorted to this. Steeleye - if you can't afford to have children then don't have them. If you can sort of afford it then let the State help you to do so and have two. If you were responsible but have fallen on hard times then we should help. However, if you just have children because you can't be bothered to use contraception or you want benefits, then you should be sterilised. The Blair years produced many numpties who are now growing/grown up and all because of a reckless disregard to common sense by him and others. The Country is now reaping the benefits of even more scroungers and idiots and I see no point in this Government doing the same again. Edited by The Dolphin (24 Jul 2024 1.22pm)
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24 Jul 24 12.06pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is not a matter of cost but what society you want to live in, it is also immoral to drive children into poverty with all its consequences.

And all the problems caused will have to be picked up by in other ways by other agencies, it is actually exprensive to make people poor, a typical mindless austerity policy.

Starmer was lucky the voters were desperate to get rid of the tories, he actually performed worse than Corbyn in votes cast.

He and his chancellors argument is b****x, which is why they have resorted to this.

Steeleye - if you can't afford to have children then don't have them.
If you can sort of afford it then let the State help you to do so and have two.
If you were responsible but have fallen on hard times then we should help.
However, if you just have children because you can't be bothered to use contraception or you want benefits, then you should be sterilised.
The Blair years produced many numpties who are now growing/grown up and all because of a reckless disregard to common sense by him and others.
The Country is now reaping the benefits of even more scroungers and idiots and I see no point in this Government doing the same again.

Edited by The Dolphin (24 Jul 2024 1.22pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Jul 24 12.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We have to encourage British people to have more children, but at the same time, the cost of welfare payments is far too high. Truthfully, responsible parents tend to produce more responsible children. We need a generation who are better equipped for employment and social responsibility. Those that sponge off the state are less likely to produce productive offspring. There are always exceptions of course. If you want more British children and you want to give them the best chance to grow into productive adults, then you need to reduce child poverty - it really is as simple as that. It doesn't even have to be a left-wing argument if looking after children isn't enough motivation for some - it's just economically sensible.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We have to encourage British people to have more children, but at the same time, the cost of welfare payments is far too high.

If you want more British children and you want to give them the best chance to grow into productive adults, then you need to reduce child poverty - it really is as simple as that.

It doesn't even have to be a left-wing argument if looking after children isn't enough motivation for some - it's just economically sensible.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Jul 24 12.09pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Imagine your politics leading to you a point where you seriously type out an endorsement for the state sterilising people. What utter nonsense.
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SE19 24 Jul 24 12.09pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Imagine your politics leading to you a point where you seriously type out an endorsement for the state sterilising people.

What utter nonsense.

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silvertop Portishead 24 Jul 24 1.24pm
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines Don't you just love it... Green Party MP Adrian Ramsay is resisting plans for new pylons in his East Anglian constituency of Waveney Valley, which would transport electricity from offshore windfarms to homes onshore, despite his party calling for the most ambitious decarbonisation targets. I suspect he doesn't oppose the grid linking up the wind farms so long as that link is underground cables and not overground pylons. Don't you?
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Portishead 24 Jul 24 1.24pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Don't you just love it...

Green Party MP Adrian Ramsay is resisting plans for new pylons in his East Anglian constituency of Waveney Valley, which would transport electricity from offshore windfarms to homes onshore, despite his party calling for the most ambitious decarbonisation targets.

I suspect he doesn't oppose the grid linking up the wind farms so long as that link is underground cables and not overground pylons.

Don't you?

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The Dolphin 24 Jul 24 1.25pm
Utter nonsense is your view - mine is opposite. Too many people having children for the wrong reasons. They end up not being looked after and often turning to crime as a living. They cost the Country a fortune because their parents are useless. They should not be allowed to have children in the first place and if you think they should then you are a fool - my opinion!
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The Dolphin

24 Jul 24 1.25pm

Utter nonsense is your view - mine is opposite.
Too many people having children for the wrong reasons.
They end up not being looked after and often turning to crime as a living.
They cost the Country a fortune because their parents are useless.
They should not be allowed to have children in the first place and if you think they should then you are a fool - my opinion!

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Jul 24 1.38pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Utter nonsense is your view - mine is opposite. Too many people having children for the wrong reasons. They end up not being looked after and often turning to crime as a living. They cost the Country a fortune because their parents are useless. They should not be allowed to have children in the first place and if you think they should then you are a fool - my opinion! You're seriously suggesting that people should be forcefully sterilised, while calling other people fools. Quite funny really.
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SE19 24 Jul 24 1.38pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

You're seriously suggesting that people should be forcefully sterilised, while calling other people fools.

Quite funny really.

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Jul 24 1.40pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow If you want more British children and you want to give them the best chance to grow into productive adults, then you need to reduce child poverty - it really is as simple as that. It doesn't even have to be a left-wing argument if looking after children isn't enough motivation for some - it's just economically sensible. I don't think anyone wants child poverty but remember, it is relative poverty. I don't think the current situation of two parents working and still not being able to afford a decent standard of living is acceptable. It is not sensible for businesses to survive only by paying people rubbish wages and creating awful working conditions. Let them go out of business. It is not right that it often doesnt pay to work. People need a better mechanism and encouragement that alows them to move from unemployment and dependency on benefits to a decent job. Pay and conditions play a big part. Who wants to get paid noting and get treated badly for their trouble? Aside from that, people need to manage their money better. How many smoke? Drink too much? Gamble? Eat takeaway three times a week? Their kids need to come first. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Jul 2024 1.42pm)
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24 Jul 24 1.40pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

If you want more British children and you want to give them the best chance to grow into productive adults, then you need to reduce child poverty - it really is as simple as that.

It doesn't even have to be a left-wing argument if looking after children isn't enough motivation for some - it's just economically sensible.

I don't think anyone wants child poverty but remember, it is relative poverty.

I don't think the current situation of two parents working and still not being able to afford a decent standard of living is acceptable.

It is not sensible for businesses to survive only by paying people rubbish wages and creating awful working conditions. Let them go out of business.
It is not right that it often doesnt pay to work.
People need a better mechanism and encouragement that alows them to move from unemployment and dependency on benefits to a decent job.
Pay and conditions play a big part. Who wants to get paid noting and get treated badly for their trouble?

Aside from that, people need to manage their money better. How many smoke? Drink too much? Gamble? Eat takeaway three times a week? Their kids need to come first.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Jul 2024 1.42pm)

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