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 Badger11  Beckenham 21 Jul 24 9.01am |
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I didn't have a problem with PV by all accounts a nice man. We were right to sack him though and that is the risk of being a manager. I do have a problem with how the media treated him and Palace which was not his fault. You would have thought we had shot Bambi's mother, funny that those pundits don't react that way when others get the dreaded phone call from the chairman.
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| eaglesdare 21 Jul 24 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Car54
you must have a short memory, all i remember is a shambles of a team, not focused because of the abismal training sessions that the players had to go to Parish about to stop the rot Yes towards the end it did get abysmal. But I still really enjoyed the cup runs. Games under those two have stuck out in my memory more than any hodgson games unfortunately. *I am talking about the last 10ish years Edited by eaglesdare (21 Jul 2024 11.40am)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jul 24 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Yes towards the end it did get abysmal. But I still really enjoyed the cup runs. Games under those two have stuck out in my memory more than any hodgson games unfortunately. *I am talking about the last 10ish years Edited by eaglesdare (21 Jul 2024 11.40am) Only 1 win in Vieira's last 16 games in League & Cup, including a home defeat to then Championship club Southampton.
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| eaglesdare 21 Jul 24 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Only 1 win in Vieira's last 16 games in League & Cup, including a home defeat to then Championship club Southampton. Yes Like I said at the end it was abysmal. I'm pretty sure Alan pardew had a similar record and it was the FA cup run that kept him his job.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jul 24 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Yes Like I said at the end it was abysmal. I'm pretty sure Alan pardew had a similar record and it was the FA cup run that kept him his job. In terms of Vieira the wheels had well and truly come off. Apropos Pardew he was 'Shown the door' after 17 League games when we were in 17th place on 15 pts.We were victorious in only 2 of his previous 12 PL matches.
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| eaglesdare 21 Jul 24 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
In terms of Vieira the wheels had well and truly come off. Apropos Pardew he was 'Shown the door' after 17 League games when we were in 17th place on 15 pts.We were victorious in only 2 of his previous 12 PL matches. Here's hoping Glasner does not meet a similar fate. Or at least go one step further and win a cup before it eventually goes tits up. In the end it always ends the same. But it's the good memories before this makes me remember them fondly.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 21 Jul 24 2.44pm |
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it's not simply if managers are good or bad - often they are good for a limited time, often one season or eighteen months, then it goes wrong. This has happened to us with Dowie and Pardew, Roy Keane was amazing at Sunderland before it came apart, this short-term repair job tendency is probably why Watford recruit managers the way they do. Vieira was great with us for the first season - then like with Nice and in the MLS he got stuck, became over complicated, confused the players and then lost them. I was up at the Villa where we lost 1-0 and Parrish lost his patience - wrong tactics which were changed after 10 minutes , 3 double substitutions in the second half, Eze not picked because he was ineffective off the ball and loads of individual errors as a result of the confusion. Vieira is good up to a point, he may need to drop down a league or two and learn how to progress the team after he has done the initial repair job, or take yet more advice from Arsene Wenger - if he is given a chance somewhere to get through that awkward patch then he should make the grade, but his delegation with his coaching staff may also need to improve.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jul 24 11.09am |
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Wouldn't it likely have been Vieira who suggested Mateta?
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| Norbury Old Git London 23 Jul 24 12.35pm |
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No it was Parish and Freedman. Roy was manager at the time and was not impressed. He dropped JP to the bench after he scored against Brighton in his third match and did not give him any more EPL starts until Edouard was unavailable against Man Utd last September.
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