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 EagleinSF  San Fransisco 17 Jul 24 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by monkey
We’re also level on points with Arsenal, Liverpool and Man.City so we’ve got a great chance of winning the league as well Edited by monkey (17 Jul 2024 12.20pm) And With the same goal difference!
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PJEagle  London 17 Jul 24 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
Whats the point of your thread? Something you imagined didn't become reality? Look, Southgate achieved more as England manager than many before him. He restored integrity and respect not only for himself but for the England team. He had to show great creativity and flexibility in his use of players, many of whom started off injured, or were playing in similar positions and were themselves exhausted from a long season. I think we should show respect where that is due.And he has earned the respect of the nation. He also had to survive somehow a torrent of abuse. I don't think we should be mouthing off at him on HOL Fair comment on the whole. As to what's next for him, I agree he shouldn't go anywhere near the PL. Maybe he should go back to coaching at the National under 21 or 18?
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Jul 24 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by PJEagle
Look, Southgate achieved more as England manager than many before him. He restored integrity and respect not only for himself but for the England team. He had to show great creativity and flexibility in his use of players, many of whom started off injured, or were playing in similar positions and were themselves exhausted from a long season. I think we should show respect where that is due.And he has earned the respect of the nation. He also had to survive somehow a torrent of abuse. I don't think we should be mouthing off at him on HOL Why not? He did indeed do a good job, BUT, he failed, his tactics etc were just wrong. He will join the long list of 'nearly managers'. So, he, along with every manager in the world are there to be, shall we say, 'scrutinised'
This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise. |
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jul 24 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by EagleinSF
And With the same goal difference! Haven't worked it out but I think we're 8th.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Jul 24 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by PJEagle
Look, Southgate achieved more as England manager than many before him. He restored integrity and respect not only for himself but for the England team. He had to show great creativity and flexibility in his use of players, many of whom started off injured, or were playing in similar positions and were themselves exhausted from a long season. I think we should show respect where that is due.And he has earned the respect of the nation. He also had to survive somehow a torrent of abuse. I don't think we should be mouthing off at him on HOL I do. Good player for Palace, but a below average manager in my opinion in charge of gifted players. Eight years wasted. We will see if I'm proven wrong but I think my proof will be that he won't win anything significant as a manager.....I doubt he even gets a big club come in for him. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jul 2024 6.17pm)
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| eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Jul 24 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I do. Good player for Palace, but a below average manager in my opinion in charge of gifted players. Eight years wasted. We will see if I'm proven wrong but I think my proof will be that he won't win anything significant as a manager.....I doubt he even gets a big club come in for him. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jul 2024 6.17pm) Brighton might . . . Sorry, you said BIG club. Edited by eagleman13 (17 Jul 2024 6.19pm)
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| stanzerman Hastings 17 Jul 24 7.17pm |
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Sorry just can't see him as club manager. It' a totally different job and far more demanding than a national manager where you play perhaps half a dozen competative games a year, have no budget or relegation worries and if a player gets injured you just send him back to his club and take your pick from all the other clubs. Spend most of your time swanning round the world flying business class to watch matches and enjoy lavish hospitality. Compare this with a club manager trying to motivate players on a daily basis often playing two matches a week in the prem and its a disaster when your best players get injured or sold from under you. Southgate is great in an ambassadoral role but a club manager, I doubt it.
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| Plaistow Eagle 17 Jul 24 7.41pm |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Why not? He did indeed do a good job, BUT, he failed, his tactics etc were just wrong. He will join the long list of 'nearly managers'. So, he, along with every manager in the world are there to be, shall we say, 'scrutinised' Agreed..!! Southgate a very average Manager/Coach and it’s cost us big time - with the quality available - with a decent Manager/Coach should have won at least 2 of the last 4 major tournaments. The fact we haven’t is all on Southgate and his negative tactics, formations, selections and decisions at crucial times. Just hope the FA now have the noise and foresight to select/appoint a Manager of the same calibre and quality of the players England now have available - otherwise another Golden Generation will be wasted ala Sven..!! COYE and COYP
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| Plaistow Eagle 17 Jul 24 7.44pm |
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Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle
Agreed..!! Southgate a very average Manager/Coach and it’s cost us big time - with the quality available - with a decent Manager/Coach should have won at least 2 of the last 4 major tournaments. The fact we haven’t is all on Southgate and his negative tactics, formations, selections and decisions at crucial times. Just hope the FA now have the noise and foresight to select/appoint a Manager of the same calibre and quality of the players England now have available - otherwise another Golden Generation will be wasted ala Sven..!! COYE and COYP Sorry meant “nouse”..!!
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Rogers the legend  Auckland 17 Jul 24 9.56pm |
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And let us not forget being a national manager and a league manager are two completely different animals. I for one (as much as I like the lad), feel he has under achieved as a league manager, and given the talent at his disposal, been an average national manager. I'm more than happy with Ollie and at present wouldn't swap him for anybody, apart from maybe Pep. Good luck to the lad, but not for us.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. Archie Griffen |
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 17 Jul 24 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by stanzerman
Sorry just can't see him as club manager. It' a totally different job and far more demanding than a national manager where you play perhaps half a dozen competative games a year, have no budget or relegation worries and if a player gets injured you just send him back to his club and take your pick from all the other clubs. Spend most of your time swanning round the world flying business class to watch matches and enjoy lavish hospitality. Compare this with a club manager trying to motivate players on a daily basis often playing two matches a week in the prem and its a disaster when your best players get injured or sold from under you. Southgate is great in an ambassadoral role but a club manager, I doubt it. You see, I agree with you - there is a big difference between managing a club and managing a national side. BUT, I disagree that managing the country is in any way an easier proposition. Certainly there are fewer matches and the job does involve a lot of travelling and therein is the issue. A club manager has the benefit of building close connections with his players through frequent interactions during training and the frequent matches to which you refer. I think it is much more difficult to nurture and develop a team when they are often a different bunch who meet together infrequently for training sessions and matches. It takes different qualities for sure and there is no guarantee that a good club manager could get a good tune out of a team of disperate players who only occasionally get together.
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| RubinsCube Wimbledon 17 Jul 24 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
You see, I agree with you - there is a big difference between managing a club and managing a national side. BUT, I disagree that managing the country is in any way an easier proposition. Certainly there are fewer matches and the job does involve a lot of travelling and therein is the issue. A club manager has the benefit of building close connections with his players through frequent interactions during training and the frequent matches to which you refer. I think it is much more difficult to nurture and develop a team when they are often a different bunch who meet together infrequently for training sessions and matches. It takes different qualities for sure and there is no guarantee that a good club manager could get a good tune out of a team of disperate players who only occasionally get together. Agreed. But I think this is the very reason GS would struggle at club level: he has been unable or unwilling to change the style or mindset of the main starting XI for some time now. There was no urgency or variation in patterns of play during the Euros, and arguably before that. Sometimes, even simple patterns were missing with and without the ball (Spain's second was essentially three simple passes down the middle of the pitch when the England team had no shape; Slovakia could have had several from simple, predictable play before we equalized; Iceland's winning goal in the warm up game was one pass from them under pressure which took out half our team and had them running at us). Maybe with a bunch of different coaches and a set up like Taggart had up at Man United he might do ok. But the set up with England seemed to me to expose tactical deficiencies.
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