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Accepting it's not Mainoo's fault he's attracted a lot of hype at 19 with 25 club games under his belt Kobbie Mainoo of Crystal Palace would be an unlikely first choice for England.
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I'm not Southgates biggest fan and if you've got a group as talented as ours and you can't get the best out of them, then that's on the manager but I do agree with Carragher, Pickford constantly going long has nothing to do with the manager, thats down to too many players who are happy to hide, none of them had the balls to demand the ball in difficult positions.
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
A very disappointing performance last night, it's all been written and critiqued well on here. Whilst I wanted England to do well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I am not feeling as downbeat this morning as I do when Palace lose. Watching Palace here at home on the TV I yell like crazy when we score, when England score I just smile. Might have been different if Eze had played and scored though. Anyway,the start of the season can't come soon enough for me now. Exactly the same feeling as me. I can remember the last euro tournament and getting my heart broken by the same style of play so for the World Cup in Qatar and this I really didn’t care. I only watched because I love football.
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Originally posted by Cannonball
Did the best with the players we had, but I cant understand all the hype about Bellingham, he seems like an average player at best (not good enough for Glasner's Eagles) Did he really. We were through the group after 2 games. That’s the time to realise a change no matter who you were trying to avoid in the knockout stage. As the saying goes and we saw yesterday, you have to beat a decent team at some stage. And we couldn’t. Alongside if it went south by changing the team his criticism would have stopped because point proved in his eyes and ours. Basically GS f***ed up by keeping his faves on the pitch.
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Originally posted by rikz
I'm not Southgates biggest fan and if you've got a group as talented as ours and you can't get the best out of them, then that's on the manager but I do agree with Carragher, Pickford constantly going long has nothing to do with the manager, thats down to too many players who are happy to hide, none of them had the balls to demand the ball in difficult positions. Spain pressed very effectively and England found it exceedingly difficult to play through it. In the tournament there have been a lot of longer balls out from the back, perhaps because teams have recognised that it is not a good idea to try to play out when opponents are pressing you so hard and so high, and are very good at doing so. Edited by Willo (15 Jul 2024 9.40pm)
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The Question is did Southgate get the most out of the players at his disposal and the answer is undoubtably, NO
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
The Question is did Southgate get the most out of the players at his disposal and the answer is undoubtably, NO I suspect there are those asking the question that had Southgate been in charge of Spain whether their performances and results would have matched what they produced under Luis De La Fuente.Spain were a joy to watch.
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Originally posted by Cannonball
Did the best with the players we had, but I cant understand all the hype about Bellingham, he seems like an average player at best (not good enough for Glasner's Eagles) I'm right there with you on Bellingham. He's banged in a ton of goals for Madrid playing against minnows but hasn't shone at all in the Euros. I'm yet to be convinced by him. Players can get overhyped with awards and plaudits and then it becomes a bit of a house of cards situation where he has been built up to be the next Zidane but essentially ghosts through the tournament. The true greats were the players that could take the game by he scruff of the neck and score a brilliant goal and maybe beat a few players to do that. Bellingham looked leggy and laboured on the ball, more like a tired workhorse midfielder. I mean honestly Modric did more for Croatia at 38 or whatever in the games he played then Bellingham did. Yes he did score that great goal that kept us in it but he was practically missing throughout each game. The press built up Foden, Kane, and Bellingham as 'world class'. I'm sorry but no. There is no concrete definition of world class but I would say being able to perform at both club and international level would be a prerequisite. Being so good that you will stand out in different teams, irrespective of how good that team is. Saka, Watkins, Toney, Guehi and Stones all aquited themselves relatively well in that regard. I personally never want to see Kane in an England shirt again. I guess Bellingham is now nailed on as England's 'future' no matter what. Likewise, Mainoo will be nailed in as a CM next to Rice, but is utterly average. Yes he plays basic backwards and sideways passes but that's it.
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Originally posted by george1212
I'm right there with you on Bellingham. He's banged in a ton of goals for Madrid playing against minnows but hasn't shone at all in the Euros. I'm yet to be convinced by him. Players can get overhyped with awards and plaudits and then it becomes a bit of a house of cards situation where he has been built up to be the next Zidane but essentially ghosts through the tournament. The true greats were the players that could take the game by he scruff of the neck and score a brilliant goal and maybe beat a few players to do that. Bellingham looked leggy and laboured on the ball, more like a tired workhorse midfielder. I mean honestly Modric did more for Croatia at 38 or whatever in the games he played then Bellingham did. Yes he did score that great goal that kept us in it but he was practically missing throughout each game. The press built up Foden, Kane, and Bellingham as 'world class'. I'm sorry but no. There is no concrete definition of world class but I would say being able to perform at both club and international level would be a prerequisite. Being so good that you will stand out in different teams, irrespective of how good that team is. Saka, Watkins, Toney, Guehi and Stones all aquited themselves relatively well in that regard. I personally never want to see Kane in an England shirt again. I guess Bellingham is now nailed on as England's 'future' no matter what. Likewise, Mainoo will be nailed in as a CM next to Rice, but is utterly average. Yes he plays basic backwards and sideways passes but that's it. There's no doubt that he has had a poor tournament and I can't claim to have watched his German or Spanish careers.. BUT....... He has impressed in ALL previous England appearances up until this tournament (warm up's included) and has looked a class above. Edited by CrazyBadger (16 Jul 2024 4.33pm)
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
There's no doubt that he has had a poor tournament and I can't claim to have watched his German or Spanish careers.. BUT....... He has impressed in ALL previous England appearances up until this tournament (warm up's included) and has looked a class above.
Yep, that's fair. I think the press just hyped him up far too much. Perhaps he was tired? If he scores that chance against Spain then perhaps his tournament becomes more impressive. But for a 20 yr old he looked very leggy. I wonder if he's carrying an injury of some kind. With a new manager in the mix and hopefully a more progressive style of play, perhaps all these underperforming players will start to play better in a system that could (and should) get the best out of them. The jury is out Bellingham and Foden though. As for Kane, no. He is done, legs are gone. He can't be England's talisman anymore, jogging around the pitch slowing everything down and doing nothing each game.
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