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Originally posted by silvertop
I knew someone who lived upstairs from her. No one will top that claim to fame today
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It does make me laugh that people can watch their tournament predictions fail, be proved wrong over and over again, and still come out of it insisting they’re right. Maybe if we win it there would be some self-reflection, but I doubt it.
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Originally posted by monkey
I think a lot of people think that, let’s face it the ordinary Jo on the street could manage the England team with the quality of players we’ve got, the lack of quality of some of the nations we play until the latter stages of tournaments and still get results. Surely no one actually believes this!? How many decades of examples to the contrary do you need? Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (12 Jul 2024 12.17pm)
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Surely no one actually believes this!? How many decades of examples to the contrary do you need? Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (12 Jul 2024 12.17pm) So Gareth Southgate fancy’s a week off before we play San Marino at Wembley, the FA run a competition for anyone to enter, bill the plumber wins and gets to manage England for a week, will San Marino then beat us? It’s extreme I know, but just so you get my point as you only highlighted part of my post Edited by monkey (12 Jul 2024 12.42pm)
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Originally posted by monkey
So Gareth Southgate fancy’s a week off before we play San Marino at Wembley, the FA run a competition for anyone to enter, bill the plumber wins and gets to manage England for a week, will San Marino then beat us? It’s extreme I know, but just so you get my point Yes obviously they would. There’s a big jump from the winning a game against amateurs and reaching the latter stages of major tournaments against other elite players and managers.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It does make me laugh that people can watch their tournament predictions fail, be proved wrong over and over again, and still come out of it insisting they’re right. Maybe if we win it there would be some self-reflection, but I doubt it.
One prediction for the tournament, within a few circles beyond just 'England fans', was that we were favourites. This was off the back of the squad we have and the level at which our players compete and perform, not blind ignorance or optimism. The performances of England have however failed to reflect the very legitimate optimism and perhaps expectation of many, albeit the results have worked out perfectly. This squad is far superior to any I can remember going back and there is an element of 'luck' or serendipity in where we find ourselves now. The suggestion that a world class group of players, with a bit of luck, has managed to stumble through to the final in spite of a pretty average manager has more weight than suggesting it was all planned, orchestrated and executed by a tactical genius. I'd argue so anyway and haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise. I'm minded not to go too far to an extreme with either of those stances and just enjoy where we are right now. I feel like we can certainly beat the Spanish but I'm not relying on a 'Southgate masterclass' to be the decisive factor, I'm more looking toward the players in the team and a bit of luck on our side. If Southgate comes out at some point in the future and says 'this was my plan all along etc.' and is able to very specifically outline why things have played out as they have, I'd very much claim complete ignorance and hail him a genius. I highly doubt that though. Come on England!
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Graham Potter? Not so much for his achievements as that he seems "an FA sort of guy". It's who I would think as well. I wouldn't mind him as he seems a decent manager. Anyway - Sir Gareth first.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
One prediction for the tournament, within a few circles beyond just 'England fans', was that we were favourites. This was off the back of the squad we have and the level at which our players compete and perform, not blind ignorance or optimism. The performances of England have however failed to reflect the very legitimate optimism and perhaps expectation of many, albeit the results have worked out perfectly. This squad is far superior to any I can remember going back and there is an element of 'luck' or serendipity in where we find ourselves now. The suggestion that a world class group of players, with a bit of luck, has managed to stumble through to the final in spite of a pretty average manager has more weight than suggesting it was all planned, orchestrated and executed by a tactical genius. I'd argue so anyway and haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise. I'm minded not to go too far to an extreme with either of those stances and just enjoy where we are right now. I feel like we can certainly beat the Spanish but I'm not relying on a 'Southgate masterclass' to be the decisive factor, I'm more looking toward the players in the team and a bit of luck on our side. If Southgate comes out at some point in the future and says 'this was my plan all along etc.' and is able to very specifically outline why things have played out as they have, I'd very much claim complete ignorance and hail him a genius. I highly doubt that though. Come on England! Good post, sums up how I and nearly everyone I talk to feels. Where I would give Southgate credit is the squad harmony and culture. Although it may not be my kind of thing, it seems to work well for the players. He seems to be able to keep them buying in well enough. Maybe that is one thing that England needed. It was a good call to send Grealish home by the looks of things. However, as you say, playing a left wing back system and only picking an injured left wing back is completely unforgivable - unless we win, of course, and then Gareth will be the Messiah.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
One prediction for the tournament, within a few circles beyond just 'England fans', was that we were favourites. This was off the back of the squad we have and the level at which our players compete and perform, not blind ignorance or optimism. The performances of England have however failed to reflect the very legitimate optimism and perhaps expectation of many, albeit the results have worked out perfectly. This squad is far superior to any I can remember going back and there is an element of 'luck' or serendipity in where we find ourselves now. The suggestion that a world class group of players, with a bit of luck, has managed to stumble through to the final in spite of a pretty average manager has more weight than suggesting it was all planned, orchestrated and executed by a tactical genius. I'd argue so anyway and haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise. I'm minded not to go too far to an extreme with either of those stances and just enjoy where we are right now. I feel like we can certainly beat the Spanish but I'm not relying on a 'Southgate masterclass' to be the decisive factor, I'm more looking toward the players in the team and a bit of luck on our side. If Southgate comes out at some point in the future and says 'this was my plan all along etc.' and is able to very specifically outline why things have played out as they have, I'd very much claim complete ignorance and hail him a genius. I highly doubt that though. Come on England! well said. Paraphrasing a certain orange skinned talksport presenter, ..although Greece may have something to say about that!
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Good post, sums up how I and nearly everyone I talk to feels. Where I would give Southgate credit is the squad harmony and culture. Although it may not be my kind of thing, it seems to work well for the players. He seems to be able to keep them buying in well enough. Maybe that is one thing that England needed. It was a good call to send Grealish home by the looks of things. However, as you say, playing a left wing back system and only picking an injured left wing back is completely unforgivable - unless we win, of course, and then Gareth will be the Messiah. I very, very much agree AS. It's quite easy to ridicule or dismiss, especially when results or performances don't go well but I think culturally, Southgate has done wonders for England. I think it fair however to say that he's not the 'tactical genius' many cry out for. You can see where he falls short and this would be his weakness. Again, some may say that's all they want or is needed from a manager but I disagree, their relationship with the players, the unity in the team and it's resilience is equally important in my eyes. I therefore want Southgate to succeed, of course I want England to succeed too, but if he falls short again it will be for footballing reasons and I'd understand why a change would be decided. He mastered one half of the equation and may well have paved the way for the other half to be complete if he does leave. I'd argue we've not had either of those in previous managers and therefore his credit would still be due.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
All of those managers went out to the best teams in the world earlier in the tournament, or semi finals in 2 cases. If Bellingham didn’t score an overhead kick versus Slovakia in round 2 he’d have resigned or been asked to. Southgate has had the easiest routes through not just this tournament but every tournament. The team spirit and perseverance has been excellent, but he’s not fooling everyone with the intelligent analysis. Maybe we’ll miss Kalvin Phillips again on Sunday? Or will it be Maguire he kept playing leading up to the tournament? Remember Mainoo was the 3rd and probably last midfielder he was willing to ‘experiment’ with next to Rice.
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