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 Stirlingsays  11 Jul 24 1.25pm |
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Ruddy insane suggestion. Just what are these members bleeding paying for if they get no more choice as to who leads them as some subversive in Cornwall. Perhaps he should join the Conservative party if he wants a say in that party. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jul 2024 1.25pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jul 24 2.00pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ruddy insane suggestion. Just what are these members bleeding paying for if they get no more choice as to who leads them as some subversive in Cornwall. Perhaps he should join the Conservative party if he wants a say in that party. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jul 2024 1.25pm) In a recent poll of Conservative members nigh on 70% supported retaining their final say on the leader. Almost as popular,and of course unsurprisingly, given the furore about how CCHQ has handled candidates and selections in recent contests, was restoring to Associations the free hand they once enjoyed in selecting their candidate.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jul 24 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Taking long hard looks at things is always worthwhile but what is seen does depend a lot on who is looking! So the composition of the "Review Panel" is critical if it is going to have any relevance going forward. If it only comprises of convinced Party activists then it won't be of much use at all. They will all be convinced they already know what went wrong and how to put it right. If it opens itself to ordinary members of the public, voters from every strand of opinion and from every age group, then lessons can indeed be learned. So the key lies with the Board. Do they unlock the door and let opinions flood in? Or keep it shut and just have predetermined ones confirmed? I get it. Everyone in it should think like you.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Jul 24 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has nothing to do with the law, at least at the moment. The parties make their own rules and hopefully, the Tories can find a way of changing theirs this time, without having to amend their constitution. Enshrining the principle into law or, more likely changing the conventions surrounding how a PM is appointed, is something I would support. I strongly believe only elected representatives should choose who leads them. That's what they do. It's the King who then appoints the PM. I agree, when a PM goes, the law should state there has to be a general election. In the meantime it's up to the politicians. At least they are a safe pair of hands.
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| silvertop Portishead 11 Jul 24 4.24pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I agree, when a PM goes, the law should state there has to be a general election. In the meantime it's up to the politicians. At least they are a safe pair of hands. I do not agree. 1. The mandate was won by the party not the leader. 2. If a PM is caught with his pants down he will fight on to the bitter end rather than see his party go because of his misguided indiscretion. 3. Or he may die or retire through ill health with a perfectly functioning and properly elected majority party. 4. If the leader has to go, the mechanism for deciding whether the country goes to the polls is a vote of no confidence. 5. The PM is the effective CEO of the executive branch of government, not the head of state.
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| Midlands Eagle 11 Jul 24 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Well they would wouldn't they? I wouldn't mind betting that a poll of Conservative MPs would come to a completely different conclusion
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| Stirlingsays 11 Jul 24 6.09pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
In a recent poll of Conservative members nigh on 70% supported retaining their final say on the leader. Almost as popular,and of course unsurprisingly, given the furore about how CCHQ has handled candidates and selections in recent contests, was restoring to Associations the free hand they once enjoyed in selecting their candidate. Yep, that should be the case given the complete horlicks the MPs have made of the party.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 11 Jul 24 11.10pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
T20 World Cup 50 over World Cup, numerous F1 races. You have to smile at Steeley attempt at humour. Presumably he is more than happy to stay on these shores now. Well, who would want to move to Europe atm? Not really, why would one smile at the dross posted by a deluded anti semite.
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| Spiderman Horsham 12 Jul 24 7.24am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Not really, why would one smile at the dross posted by a deluded anti semite. I was being sarcastic
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 24 8.05am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I do not agree. 1. The mandate was won by the party not the leader. 2. If a PM is caught with his pants down he will fight on to the bitter end rather than see his party go because of his misguided indiscretion. 3. Or he may die or retire through ill health with a perfectly functioning and properly elected majority party. 4. If the leader has to go, the mechanism for deciding whether the country goes to the polls is a vote of no confidence. 5. The PM is the effective CEO of the executive branch of government, not the head of state. I agree. The PM is the leader of the majority group in government. If they lose their confidence then they choose someone who does. Not anyone else.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 24 8.16am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I get it. Everyone in it should think like you. Not at all. Any review needs to assess the views of all possible voters and come to a conclusion on how to ensure enough of them support them. Developing policies that serve the best interests of the country are worthless unless you can convince enough people they are going to be. Whether you just include some representatives of a variety of different viewpoints, carry out surveys or include as many political analysts as you can is something to be determined. What, in my opinion, mustn’t happen, is to only listen to yourself.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 24 8.32am |
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Originally posted by Willo
In a recent poll of Conservative members nigh on 70% supported retaining their final say on the leader. Almost as popular,and of course unsurprisingly, given the furore about how CCHQ has handled candidates and selections in recent contests, was restoring to Associations the free hand they once enjoyed in selecting their candidate. Of course they did. I am surprised there were 30% with enough nous to realise they ought not. That they should be responsible for selecting the local candidate is a much stronger argument, although from the viewpoint of the Party nationally I can understand why they would wish to oversee the process and retain a veto to avoid totally unsuitable candidates. The problem with all political parties is that the actual membership is very small compared to the numbers who vote for them. This allows groups of convinced activists to dominate and potentially hijack a local party. If you are trying to present a national policy with candidates committed to it having renegades offering other ideas is not a good idea.
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