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 cryrst  The garden of England 10 Jul 24 10.38am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You'll have to explain that statement. There is simply no justification for denying state pension to people who have been responsible enough to save for their retirement and or have been more successful in life. Correct and the irony is that pensioners may well be using this to pay for private health which in its own way saves the state money.
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 Hrolf The Ganger  10 Jul 24 10.41am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Correct and the irony is that pensioners may well be using this to pay for private health which in its own way saves the state money. So your previous statement was incorrect. I'm well aware of the knock on effects of making retirees less well off.
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| oohahh Caterham 10 Jul 24 10.52am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
No borrowing so where is the money coming from ? No increase in taxes. I reckon he will start a new tax. Possibly for online shopping and delivery. The govt used to get billions from Business rates, with lots of shops closing that has diminished. So tax online shopping - could include on line ticket sales
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jul 24 10.53am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So we should penalise people for being responsible? And you claim to be a Tory? Hilarious.
I doubt whether the basic state pension will be removed from anyone who has paid their NI, but there will probably be other measures progressively introduced. Most pensioners would not be impacted at all.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jul 24 10.58am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I doubt whether the basic state pension will be removed from anyone who has paid their NI, but there will probably be other measures progressively introduced. So punishing sensible people by stealth? There is and never has been any advantage to over taxation. And you call yourself a Tory.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jul 24 11.20am |
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Originally posted by oohahh
No increase in taxes. I reckon he will start a new tax. Possibly for online shopping and delivery. The govt used to get billions from Business rates, with lots of shops closing that has diminished. So tax online shopping - could include on line ticket sales Makes sense. A higher rate of VAT for online purchases? Maybe not 100% new tax but an extension of an existing one. Maybe 2% extra for online? So zero-rated goods, 2% and standard rate 22%. Online shopping in the UK is forecast to reach £150 billion in 2027. So such a tax could raise £3 billion. You could not go too far and be accused of encouraging more road use. Maybe with exceptions offered to those unable to use the shops themselves.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jul 24 11.30am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So punishing sensible people by stealth? There is and never has been any advantage to over taxation. And you call yourself a Tory. Raising tax is necessary. Ensuring it is fair is not to "punish" anyone. It is to ensure that those paying can afford to do so without it impacting them in unacceptable ways. Taxation should be more for those who earn more. Making sure that the costs involved don't exceed the revenue gained is just common sense. Not all Tories are full of hate for others. Some understand that progressive taxation is both sensible and necessary in a modern economy. There is no shame in being both socially and fiscally responsible.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jul 24 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Raising tax is necessary. Ensuring it is fair is not to "punish" anyone. It is to ensure that those paying can afford to do so without it impacting them in unacceptable ways. Taxation should be more for those who earn more. Making sure that the costs involved don't exceed the revenue gained is just common sense. Not all Tories are full of hate for others. Some understand that progressive taxation is both sensible and necessary in a modern economy. There is no shame in being both socially and fiscally responsible. That is just a lot of waffle. If you penalise ambition and responsibility, then you will crush growth. If we want to rase more tax, then go after all the foreign run businesses who consistently avoid it. That must be worth a few billions.
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| cryrst The garden of England 10 Jul 24 11.55am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So your previous statement was incorrect. I'm well aware of the knock on effects of making retirees less well off. I didn’t make one, not in conflict with your thoughts
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 10 Jul 24 11.55am |
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Rwanda will not repay any of the £290m after Starmer ditched the deal, despite no immigrants ever been sent there . . . [Link]
This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise. |
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| JRW2 Dulwich 10 Jul 24 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Raising tax is necessary. Ensuring it is fair is not to "punish" anyone. It is to ensure that those paying can afford to do so without it impacting them in unacceptable ways. Taxation should be more for those who earn more. Not all Tories are full of hate for others. Some understand that progressive taxation is both sensible and necessary in a modern economy. There is no shame in being both socially and fiscally responsible. It is.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 10 Jul 24 12.45pm |
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People don't generally want the Govt to fail, they want things to improve. A successful economy will allow non financial issues to be more properly examined and debated. It's not reasonable to confuse pessimism with a desire for failure. The possible taxing of the state pension is about not honouring the contributions people have made, which are compulsory.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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