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HKOwen Hong Kong 09 Jul 24 11.01am
Jonathan Reynolds, not the sharpest to be fair, thought he was being smart by denigrating the millions who voted Reform UK . I was happy with this as it shows the entitlement and arrogance of him and likely the new government. Rebecca Lie-Daily did similar when Corbyn was rejected in 2019 Edited by HKOwen (09 Jul 2024 11.02am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 09 Jul 24 11.01am

Jonathan Reynolds, not the sharpest to be fair, thought he was being smart by denigrating the millions who voted Reform UK .

I was happy with this as it shows the entitlement and arrogance of him and likely the new government.

Rebecca Lie-Daily did similar when Corbyn was rejected in 2019

Edited by HKOwen (09 Jul 2024 11.02am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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CrazyBadger Ware 09 Jul 24 11.28am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm not against means testing if it's strictly kept to someone's means.....However, hasn't this been looked into before as a policy...it probably costs more to administer than the savings made. People can talk about means testing for pensions but essentially we have to look at what the result is going to be.....if it isn't done carefully and we don't get mission creep....because mission creep is usually the way. I tend to find that the most vocal for this kind of thing are those people who don't have to worry about it. If you did this we are going to get an awful lot and I mean an awful lot of pensioner poverty. Most of these people can't really work, are at degrees of infirmity, have various medical or mental issues related to age and don't have families that help for various reasons (in many cases down to their own choices). Would government really put itself into a situation going to reduce their incomes?....Like Greece a few years back? Difficult to believe so....or is it? Unaffected people seem so enslaved to media messaging. People were worried about losing granny to covid and cheered on while the government spent 400 billion over two years just in case someone croaked who could have been saved. Well, if we are going to be sticking a lot of old elderly people into a situation where they aren't eating because they need to heat their home....s*** is going to get real very quick. These people would die a lot sooner than what the threat of covid gave them. There are structural problems that have been built up over many decades. I would need a lot of convincing on this. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2024 9.50am) Agree with all of this. One thing is sure is that the cost of the Pensions is great, and if there was a way to reduce it without pain and sufferring, it should be investigated. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 09 Jul 24 11.28am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm not against means testing if it's strictly kept to someone's means.....However, hasn't this been looked into before as a policy...it probably costs more to administer than the savings made.

People can talk about means testing for pensions but essentially we have to look at what the result is going to be.....if it isn't done carefully and we don't get mission creep....because mission creep is usually the way.

I tend to find that the most vocal for this kind of thing are those people who don't have to worry about it.

If you did this we are going to get an awful lot and I mean an awful lot of pensioner poverty.

Most of these people can't really work, are at degrees of infirmity, have various medical or mental issues related to age and don't have families that help for various reasons (in many cases down to their own choices).

Would government really put itself into a situation going to reduce their incomes?....Like Greece a few years back?

Difficult to believe so....or is it? Unaffected people seem so enslaved to media messaging.

People were worried about losing granny to covid and cheered on while the government spent 400 billion over two years just in case someone croaked who could have been saved.

Well, if we are going to be sticking a lot of old elderly people into a situation where they aren't eating because they need to heat their home....s*** is going to get real very quick.

These people would die a lot sooner than what the threat of covid gave them.

There are structural problems that have been built up over many decades. I would need a lot of convincing on this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2024 9.50am)

Agree with all of this.
One thing is sure is that the cost of the Pensions is great, and if there was a way to reduce it without pain and sufferring, it should be investigated.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Stirlingsays 09 Jul 24 11.38am
Originally posted by CrazyBadger Agree with all of this. One thing is sure is that the cost of the Pensions is great, and if there was a way to reduce it without pain and sufferring, it should be investigated. Personally I'd have our bean counters looking into different forms of immigration over the last twenty five years. I'd advise deporting a lot of that third world immigration we brought in with their dependents. Unless a third world family is a net contributor I would kick them out. It's harsh but so is pensioner poverty. This country should never have been used as a welfare magnet for foreigners. We should only look after our own. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jul 24 11.38am

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Agree with all of this.
One thing is sure is that the cost of the Pensions is great, and if there was a way to reduce it without pain and sufferring, it should be investigated.

Personally I'd have our bean counters looking into different forms of immigration over the last twenty five years.

I'd advise deporting a lot of that third world immigration we brought in with their dependents.

Unless a third world family is a net contributor I would kick them out. It's harsh but so is pensioner poverty.

This country should never have been used as a welfare magnet for foreigners. We should only look after our own.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 09 Jul 24 11.42am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Personally I'd have our bean counters looking into different forms of immigration over the last twenty five years. I'd advise deporting a lot of that third world immigration we brought in with their dependents. Unless a third world family is a net contributor I would kick them out. It's harsh but so is pensioner poverty. This country should never have been used as a welfare magnet for foreigners. We should only look after our own. Well said Stirling - it's no surprise our prisons are overflowing and there's a housing shortage. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Personally I'd have our bean counters looking into different forms of immigration over the last twenty five years.

I'd advise deporting a lot of that third world immigration we brought in with their dependents.

Unless a third world family is a net contributor I would kick them out. It's harsh but so is pensioner poverty.

This country should never have been used as a welfare magnet for foreigners. We should only look after our own.

Well said Stirling - it's no surprise our prisons are overflowing and there's a housing shortage.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Stirlingsays 09 Jul 24 11.46am
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer Well said Stirling - it's no surprise our prisons are overflowing and there's a housing shortage. Indeed. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

09 Jul 24 11.46am

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Well said Stirling - it's no surprise our prisons are overflowing and there's a housing shortage.

Indeed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Jul 24 1.21pm
Thames Water wants to put charges up 44% or government funding. Corbyn would renationalise, Starmer will capitulate. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Jul 24 1.21pm

Thames Water wants to put charges up 44% or government funding. Corbyn would renationalise, Starmer will capitulate.

Red and Blue Army!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 24 2.31pm
Claims about the relative costs of immigration need to be examined so the facts can be separated from internet propaganda:- [Link] Has our country been used as a “welfare magnet” for foreigners? It’s well out of date but I don’t imagine the underlying message has changed much:- [Link] If it has changed then there is another, even more important, message to be gleaned. We were better off before Brexit! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Jul 24 2.31pm

Claims about the relative costs of immigration need to be examined so the facts can be separated from internet propaganda:-

[Link]

Has our country been used as a “welfare magnet” for foreigners?

It’s well out of date but I don’t imagine the underlying message has changed much:-

[Link]

If it has changed then there is another, even more important, message to be gleaned. We were better off before Brexit!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Jul 24 3.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Claims about the relative costs of immigration need to be examined so the facts can be separated from internet propaganda:- [Link] Has our country been used as a “welfare magnet” for foreigners? It’s well out of date but I don’t imagine the underlying message has changed much:- [Link] If it has changed then there is another, even more important, message to be gleaned. We were better off before Brexit! [Link] Red and Blue Army!
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ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Jul 24 3.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Claims about the relative costs of immigration need to be examined so the facts can be separated from internet propaganda:-

[Link]

Has our country been used as a “welfare magnet” for foreigners?

It’s well out of date but I don’t imagine the underlying message has changed much:-

[Link]

If it has changed then there is another, even more important, message to be gleaned. We were better off before Brexit!

[Link]

Red and Blue Army!

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Runningman Keston 09 Jul 24 4.25pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC [Link] Official stats won’t stop him from making a rejoinder !!
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Runningman

Keston 09 Jul 24 4.25pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

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Official stats won’t stop him from making a rejoinder !!

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jul 24 4.31pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Claims about the relative costs of immigration need to be examined so the facts can be separated from internet propaganda:- [Link] Has our country been used as a “welfare magnet” for foreigners? It’s well out of date but I don’t imagine the underlying message has changed much:- [Link] If it has changed then there is another, even more important, message to be gleaned. We were better off before Brexit! How utterly tedious. Immigration has benefitted no one except immigrants. Brown and the Tories allowed this scandal just so they could make the figures look better.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Claims about the relative costs of immigration need to be examined so the facts can be separated from internet propaganda:-

[Link]

Has our country been used as a “welfare magnet” for foreigners?

It’s well out of date but I don’t imagine the underlying message has changed much:-

[Link]

If it has changed then there is another, even more important, message to be gleaned. We were better off before Brexit!

How utterly tedious.

Immigration has benefitted no one except immigrants.

Brown and the Tories allowed this scandal just so they could make the figures look better.

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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jul 24 5.46pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Thames Water wants to put charges up 44% or government funding. Corbyn would renationalise, Starmer will capitulate. Corbyn would be right. Water has to back taken back to public control. The idea that labour have, that somehow asset strippers are suddenly going to become responsible, is extreme wishful thinking. Thew odeur suffered from sewage suffered by tory Chalfont St.Giles residents had me feeling sorry for them. If only they hadn't voted for it Thatcher's children.
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steeleye20

Croydon 09 Jul 24 5.46pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Thames Water wants to put charges up 44% or government funding. Corbyn would renationalise, Starmer will capitulate.

Corbyn would be right.

Water has to back taken back to public control.

The idea that labour have, that somehow asset strippers are suddenly going to become responsible, is extreme wishful thinking.

Thew odeur suffered from sewage suffered by tory Chalfont St.Giles residents had me feeling sorry for them.

If only they hadn't voted for it Thatcher's children.

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georgenorman 09 Jul 24 5.49pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Corbyn would be right. Water has to back taken back to public control. The idea that labour have, that somehow asset strippers are suddenly going to become responsible, is extreme wishful thinking. Thew odeur suffered from sewage suffered by tory Chalfont St.Giles residents had me feeling sorry for them. If only they hadn't voted for it Thatcher's children. Well, it wouldn't be public control, it would be government control.
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09 Jul 24 5.49pm