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Originally posted by YT
Yes, you are getting into the detail there somewhat. My question was somewhat more basic towards someone who proudly stated that means-testing of the state pension is a good idea. So presumably he's thought about it and has a view on who should and who shouldn't receive the state pension. I mean surely he's not just a bitter leftie who can't abide people who are better of than he is. Edited by YT (07 Jul 2024 9.56am) Just testing the water really and the poster won’t answer his actual reasons for believing it because they don’t know why it’s either fair or doable.
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Originally posted by cryrst
Just testing the water really and the poster won’t answer his actual reasons for believing it because they don’t know why it’s either fair or doable. Like most people who envy the success of others, he will be happy with means-testing provided it cuts in at a higher level than his own means.
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Originally posted by silvertop
What would it take to lose your vote? I'm not Willo but still voted Conservative on the basis that there was no credible alternative and there was no way that I would vote for Smash the Gangs Starmer as I didn't consider him to be a credible alternative
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I can't see this happening. In any case a state pension is not a benefit at least not as I understand it. You make contributions and in return receive an annuity when you retire. Personally I would favour changing the system so that everybody has a pot of money which is their own. They can put more or less in but that is their lot.
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Originally posted by Badger11
I can't see this happening. In any case a state pension is not a benefit at least not as I understand it. You make contributions and in return receive an annuity when you retire. Personally I would favour changing the system so that everybody has a pot of money which is their own. They can put more or less in but that is their lot. I can't see it happening either but, with respect, everything I've highlighted above is incorrect.
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Glad I renewed my season ticket. Can't believe football will escape the 'G' word.
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Originally posted by YT
So if you were in charge, what would your means threshold be for whether you do or don't become entitled to the state pension? And would you means-test other public sector provision? The health service for example or perhaps refuse collection? We are only talking about state pension and that means test already exists. It's called pension credit. Hardly the oracle but Peter stringfellow, a lifelong Conservative voter, called the DSS (as was) after he turned 65 demanding they take back his state pension! Why does a millionaire need a state benefit he asked. If you can answer that question I will deal with any sensible points you make.
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Originally posted by Badger11
I can't see this happening. In any case a state pension is not a benefit at least not as I understand it. You make contributions and in return receive an annuity when you retire. Personally I would favour changing the system so that everybody has a pot of money which is their own. They can put more or less in but that is their lot. No and the very definition of revisionism given the purpose of the benefits system. Anyway back to point. No government will interfere with pensions as they will lose office. The article is made up.
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The state pension debate is an interesting one. For some to view them as sacrosanct is clearly a nonsense as they had a hatchet taken to them when they raised the entitlement age and it will keep rising unless someone changes the law. So for some people they will drop down dead before they are a penny, however much they have paid in. This change was supposedly made as are are all living longer but what we are in fact seeing is folks working far longer are suffering from ill health issues from simple 'wear and tear,' which in turn adds to NHS costs. But another driver has to be cost. Universal state pensions cost a lot of money. Now every government has to decide what it spends it's money on and successive governments clearly see this as a cost. This government is just the same. It is looking at ways to save money. Is what is happening now any worse than someone like me as I approach my latter years finding out suddenly that my retirement age has gone up by 7 years almost overnight? It's all political decisions and like it or not it probably all boils down to money.
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Originally posted by silvertop
We are only talking about state pension and that means test already exists. It's called pension credit. Hardly the oracle but Peter stringfellow, a lifelong Conservative voter, called the DSS (as was) after he turned 65 demanding they take back his state pension! Why does a millionaire need a state benefit he asked. If you can answer that question I will deal with any sensible points you make.
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Originally posted by silvertop
Garbage made up tosh. However, even if true - good and not before time! That depends on the means. Some ideologically obsessed lefty deciding who should get state pension? No thanks. Looks like 5 years in power will be all they can hope for.
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