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Originally posted by YT
It was a perfectly justified yellow card. Yes it was, but he was card happy early doors and then seemed to lose interest. Our players were booted pillar to post - often by the same man (who was on a yellow) - with no punishment. Consistency between refs is impossible. Consistency from the same ref within a match is all we ask. BTW, Guehi totally stiffed by Trippier on that card.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Southgate must have a secret hoard of lucky charms somewhere. No way did we deserve to win that game. The annoying thing is he still wont learn from it and will dish up the same rubbish next week. Of course we deserved to win it. We were by far the better team. And if your manager has a hoard of lucky charms, you keep him, at least till the magic wears off. Don't get me wrong. I am not that rose tinted. Sticking with the same team come what may (a la Pulis and Hodgson) and the obvious lack of balance are critical issues. But are we not in our 4th consecutive QF? Do none of you see an improvement?
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Originally posted by EagleinSF
Even worse, we may win and have to suffer through more dire football. FFS play Wharton and get the ball moving forward - it's not rocket science. The Wharton one is a strange one, GS obviously doesn't trust him and seemingly has put him the the squad for 'experience'. But from the outside, its so clear that the CM is the biggest problem. Rice plays backwards almost all the time.
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Originally posted by Painter
The difference was Slovakia wanted to go forward and only back passed to the keeper once, the English back four did it with monotonous regularity as they had no idea how to go forward. Of course they know how to go forward. As do Portugal with one of the best forward lines in the world. And they got beat 2-0 by a Georgian block that hit on the counter. However, I agree one thing. That passing around in defence was designed to draw the Slovaks. It failed. But we carried on doing it anyway.
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I saw an interesting comment on the BBC pre match thread (I really had nothing netter to do). We hate this England, came the comment. We want our team to play open, exciting football even if it means crashing out early. If you had a choice, would you want that, or do you want our name etched on the Cup? Sadly, unless you are Spain, you can't have both.
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
The Wharton one is a strange one, GS obviously doesn't trust him and seemingly has put him the the squad for 'experience'. But from the outside, its so clear that the CM is the biggest problem. Rice plays backwards almost all the time. Adam Wharton has only played a clutch of games at the top level, accordingly in conversation with a learned gentleman prior to the commencement of the tournament I averred that I never expected to see him given a start. I added that if England were playing a game in the group stages and had already qualified as the top team, it is feasible that Wharton might be introduced from the bench. Edited by Willo (01 Jul 2024 10.10am)
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Originally posted by silvertop
I saw an interesting comment on the BBC pre match thread (I really had nothing netter to do). We hate this England, came the comment. We want our team to play open, exciting football even if it means crashing out early. If you had a choice, would you want that, or do you want our name etched on the Cup? Sadly, unless you are Spain, you can't have both. I think that's very reductionist - I wouldn't rather play open and crash out early, but that's not the only alternative is it? The only other option to how we're playing isn't to go suicidally open - there is a happy medium where we generate more than one shot on target in 90 minutes, but keep some structure and solidity. That's all most people want. We were incredibly lucky yesterday - there is nothing to suggest this current style of play gives us even a reasonable chance of winning the tournament.
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Originally posted by silvertop
Of course we deserved to win it. We were by far the better team. And if your manager has a hoard of lucky charms, you keep him, at least till the magic wears off. Don't get me wrong. I am not that rose tinted. Sticking with the same team come what may (a la Pulis and Hodgson) and the obvious lack of balance are critical issues. But are we not in our 4th consecutive QF? Do none of you see an improvement? We have reached this stage because our group was as easy as you could hope for, and we struggled past a team that is many places below us in the rankings in the first knock out round. We have been absolutely dreadful. I wonder if Southgate would have even put Palmer on had Trippier not got a knock. Next time, we are playing a team of quality and unless that clueless fool changes something, we will be going out. He has to start Palmer.
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Originally posted by silvertop
Of course we deserved to win it. We were by far the better team. And if your manager has a hoard of lucky charms, you keep him, at least till the magic wears off. Don't get me wrong. I am not that rose tinted. Sticking with the same team come what may (a la Pulis and Hodgson) and the obvious lack of balance are critical issues. But are we not in our 4th consecutive QF? Do none of you see an improvement? Yep, if that exact same match was played out but the other way round (and we lose 2-1), everyone would say ‘we were second best’, ‘we got what we deserved’ etc
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Originally posted by Willo
Adam Wharton has only played a clutch of games at the top level, accordingly in conversation with a learned gentleman prior to the commencement of the tournament I averred that I never expected to see him given a start. I added that if England were playing a game in the group stages and had already qualified as the top team, it is feasible that Wharton might be introduced from the bench. Edited by Willo (01 Jul 2024 10.10am) You don't have to be particularly erudite to expound a notion that formulaic. And for the record, you can easily present an argument to counter that accepted wisdom. Thus, Slovakia played a level that was Championship at best. He has played around that level for enough to know how to cope with it. The rest of the team were having to play economic football in a style less familiar to them. And did you see how long it took him to adapt to the Premiership. The highest level of football in the world. Mere moments. And don't give me that rot about the international game being an even bigger step up. Top 6 clubs have learned to play fringe squad players for even the ECL in order to ensure some of their best players are ready for the sterner task of Wolves away at the weekend. The only difference is pressure, and he has evidenced no frailty to date? I am happy he is not playing as the international scene has a tendency to return crocks. However, partnering him with Rice would be a superb combo.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We have reached this stage because our group was as easy as you could hope for, and we struggled past a team that is many places below us in the rankings in the first knock out round. We have been absolutely dreadful. I wonder if Southgate would have even put Palmer on had Trippier not got a knock. Next time, we are playing a team of quality and unless that clueless fool changes something, we will be going out. He has to start Palmer. No argument from me on that... Still, could that be the solution to the Palace left back conundrum?
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Originally posted by silvertop
No argument from me on that... Still, could that be the solution to the Palace left back conundrum?
It could be but it won't be.
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