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Originally posted by ASCPFC
He didn't conserve their energy properly at all though did he? He made subs but it was subs for people doing crap rather than being tired. Perhaps Kane the exception. I posted earlier somewhere that Bellingham needed to be looked after - he was clearly tired in both games. As he has to carry the attacking threat of the whole team, it's hardly a surprise. Neither Trent Alexander-Arnold or Foden could have been tired. They did very little. They were, in fact, rubbish. Another one that needed a rest was Walker. He was another who didn't get one. Saka probably still remembers being subbed on to take a penalty. Who can blame him for that. Nothing more natural to a player than playing in 2nd gear. Training games, pre season, crap Cup games all where just enough is good enough. Coupled with playing in an economic formation that doesn't suit the players it's hardly surprising they look rubbish. And if you face us in the later stages who knows what you are going to face? Tired? Funny how the rest of the Bayern Munich and real Madrid players do not appear as leggy as Kane and Bellingham. To repeat, what may be rubbish may be my view. It could be poor management and poor players as everyone is saying. Time will tell.
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Originally posted by Badger11
That England Manager Job description in full. Note all candidates must agree to these rules. 1. Always take a player who has been injured, what could possibly go wrong. 2. Pick the best players available and then try to fit them into the team out of position to their club role. 3. Always prefer top 6 players other smaller clubs. 4. Players must not run beyond the defence, cross the ball into the penalty area or even keep possession. 5. Once selected the manager must stick with the same team even though they are paying badly as "the lads have never let England down". 6. Should it come to penalties, key attacking players are allowed to skive off and leave the responsibility for missing to players who don't normally take penalties. This is known as the David Batty clause. 8. Under no circumstances are lessons to be learned, Managers and the Sweet FA must rinse and repeat at the next tournament. 9. Managers who like attacking footballer and picking players for their natural position not their Top 6 reputation need not apply. This is known as the Brian Clough clause. Or, for me, the Paul Ince (The Guvnor-Ugh!)/ Gareth Southgate clause. Edited by Glazier#1 (23 Jun 2024 12.26pm)
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its difficult to believe: how teams composed of World-Class players can regularly be shyte. Belgium this month. And previously just about every big footballing nation. Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Jun 2024 6.04pm)
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
its difficult to believe: how teams composed of World-Class players can regularly be shyte. Belgium this month. And previously just about every big footballing nation. Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Jun 2024 6.04pm) I watched Belgium v Romania and thought Belgium were pretty good in that. I thought both would likely beat England in a knockout game. That's where it's at - I can't see England winning any more than one knockout game - if even that. It's probably best that I say that now so that I can be proved wrong.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I watched Belgium v Romania and thought Belgium were pretty good in that. I thought both would likely beat England in a knockout game. That's where it's at - I can't see England winning any more than one knockout game - if even that. It's probably best that I say that now so that I can be proved wrong. After two dire and hebetudinous performances, expectations are not just low but subterranean.The reservoir of optimism has run dry.
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Originally posted by A89M
A lot of talk around Wharton starting the next game. The Telegraph had this (copied + paste as you need to be a subscriber to read full article): There was a telling, almost existential comment from Adam Wharton, just 20 years old, with only 16 Premier League appearances and less than half an hour of international experience with England under his belt in a friendly against Bosnia and Herzegovina. “If I think I can’t handle this, then what am I doing here?” he asked of being at the European Championship. And that is the crux of the matter. Gareth Southgate must now experiment to fix his experiment. The attempt to convert Trent Alexander-Arnold into a controlling central midfielder, in the real-time the glare of a major finals, has not worked. Southgate admitted as such in substituting him after just 54 minutes of the 1-1 draw against Denmark which has led to several pundits losing their s--- (to borrow Gary Lineker’s scatalogy in describing England’s performance) but was nevertheless hugely disappointing. And not good enough. It is certainly not Alexander-Arnold’s fault. He has simply not played enough in that position. It is not just about having a wonderful passing range and he has not been helped by the over-exposure. And, so, Southgate faces a checklist of choices: does he leave out Alexander-Arnold for England’s final group game against Slovenia? The probability is yes, he will. Does he then turn to Conor Gallagher, his most other experienced central midfielder? Unfortunately, he struggled against the Danes. Does he move Jude Bellingham back? Possibly. Or does he roll the dice – experimenting to overcome that experiment, as it were – by turning to 19-year-old Kobbie Mainoo or Wharton, who is just 14 months older but has even less experience having only joined Crystal Palace in the January transfer window from Blackburn Rovers for £18 million before making such an extraordinary late run into the England squad? Advertisement To put their progress in context the pair were together in an England Under-19 camp only last year and have naturally gravitated towards each other having been called into the senior set-up. “I’ve spent the most time with Kobbie,” Wharton revealed. “Cole (Palmer) as well probably because they’re similar ages to me as well.” Now one of them might have to be England’s saviour. The decision to leave out Jordan Henderson appeared sound on form and fitness – the 34-year-old was just not playing well enough after the unhappy failure of his controversial move to the Saudi Pro-League and his struggles with Ajax – but it has robbed England of a vastly experienced, calming figure. A second captain. Maybe it would have been a tournament too far for Henderson but, right now, England appear to miss him and maybe, with that wonderful, unfair, perspective of hindsight it should have been him plus one of Mainoo or Wharton. Not both. After all, will either of those youngsters really play a substantial role in this tournament? They will hopefully be vital to England’s future but while attempting to safeguard that maybe Southgate has lost a little the need to concentrate on the here and now especially as this might end up being his final tournament as manager. It cannot always be about potential. Southgate came in for some brutal criticism for saying, post-Denmark, that England missed Kalvin Phillips, the Manchester City midfielder who has lost his way and who failed on loan at West Ham United. Except he did not say that. He said they lacked “a Kalvin Phillips” – that type of holding player, rather than that specific holding player. The “a” there is crucial. There has also been the age-old debate, one that Southgate has embraced and expanded upon, of how England lack a Luka Modric or Toni Kroos or even a Jorginho type midfielder. Or, to use the examples Wharton himself cited, a Rodri – his favourite - or N’Golo Kante. He watches both extremely closely. “There are different ways of playing my position, depending on how the team want to play,” Wharton explained. “If you’ve got a lot of the ball you need someone who is calm, composed and always willing to get on it. “I don’t think there’s a set way of playing that position. It’s a difficult position, not easy, you’ve got to be good on the ball and also cover the spaces off the ball where the opposition are dangerous if they can get through the middle.” He talks well. That is half the battle and it was again evident when he was asked about Southgate’s comment, pre-Euros, that England have been waiting for his style of player for several years. “I don’t really look at it or think about it. I just play how I play and I know that if I do that then I can help the team get forward, move the ball down the pitch, beat the press, that kind of stuff,” he said. “I don’t necessarily look at myself being special or anything like that. It’s just the way I play. “If I was to describe my game I would just say ‘it’s pretty simple but effective. If you’ve got great players in attack, like Bellingham, Foden, then you have to get them in the pockets. “All I want to do if you’ve got players like that is give them the ball because that’s when they come alive to produce bits of magic, create chances, score goals, things like that.” Wharton claimed to be not concerned about the attention. “They probably know I’m not too fussed by it all,” he said – before adding: “I try and live a game in my head as much as with my feet, whether that is making a movement to move the opposition so someone else can get the ball or trying to think a couple of passes ahead so when I do get the ball. I already know where I am going to play so if people think that is special then maybe it is but for me it is just normal.” That is the essence of the role that England lacks. Wharton talks a good game. The question is whether Southgate will now fully invest in him or Mainoo. Or neither. Great read, lets hope Gareth gets brave and picks him
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
Great read, lets hope Gareth gets brave and picks him Well we are through to the knockouts even if its as a 3rd place team so don't see why not . Without being disrespectful we are playing Slovenia not Spain so have some leeway to try something with the younger players . But I see Southgate pulling Bellingham back playing Foden in Bellinghams spot and Gordon on the left . Might give Wharton or Manioo half hour if we are cruising
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Plucky (code for sh1t) Scotland out. Clarke playing the ref card. Won't have to hear about their wonderful supporters anymore. I'm half-Scottish but had enough of it after the first game. Tripe sprung to mind.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Plucky (code for sh1t) Scotland out. Clarke playing the ref card. Won't have to hear about their wonderful supporters anymore. I'm half-Scottish but had enough of it after the first game. Tripe sprung to mind. The TV panel were all in agreement that Scotland should have been awarded a penalty but I vehemently disagree with them.An excellent decision by the referee and no intervention from VAR.
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Originally posted by Willo
The TV panel were all in agreement that Scotland should have been awarded a penalty but I vehemently disagree with them.An excellent decision by the referee and no intervention from VAR. With respect, i disagree with you, it was a pen. More importantly, what was an Argentinian ref doing at the EURO's?
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Originally posted by eagleman13
With respect, i disagree with you, it was a pen. More importantly, what was an Argentinian ref doing at the EURO's? With the utmost respect we will have to agree to disagree. Apropos the Argentinian referee, there is an official exchange between UEFA and the South American CONMEBOL regarding major competitions. Edited by Willo (24 Jun 2024 10.37am)
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I thought it a penalty in real time, when I saw the replay I was a lot less sure. Originally posted by Willo
The TV panel were all in agreement that Scotland should have been awarded a penalty but I vehemently disagree with them.An excellent decision by the referee and no intervention from VAR.
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